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ukcal
Mick wanted it that way.
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Jagger or Taylor?
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Taylor1CYHMK was great at Glastonbury.There was never a Midnight Rambler that was bad, maybe not great, but better than the ones without him for the last 25 years.I doubt the reason he wasn’t given more songs to play on was because his playing was subpar.Wyman also was told he would only get 1or 2 songs to play on.It’s because Mick wanted it that way.He only got to play Silver Train a couple of times.So if they weren’t great you immediately say that’s it? Same with Sway, and all the other songs he played on other than Midnight Rambler..He only got the chance to play them a couple of times.How do you judge him on that small sampleQuote
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Taylor1Under rehearsed? How much rehearsing was necessary for one or two songs he was allowed to play?Maybe the problem was giving him usually one song to play didn’t afford him the opportunity to warm up and get locked in.He still played better than Wood and Richards on those shows, although it wasn’t 1972-1973.But there were some nice moments like GlastonburyQuote
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Doxa
A dream indeed, taken that the guitarist has retired years ago. But what goes for the three guitar concept, Keith also seemed to be initially thrilled about the idea, but afterwards came to the conclusion that it does not work. I take the latter mean that the arrangements, including the guitar parts and roles, of modern Stones shows are so carved in stone after so many tours that it asks too much for the old men to think about changing them. Keith and Ronnie know their roles and parts by heart, and, you know, let it be so. The use of Taylor back in 2012/14 was mostly limited to parts he could shine 'isolated' with his solos ("Rambler", "Can't You Hear Me Knocking"), but not being that integral to the over-all sound and band dynamics. When they sometimes tried that the result were not that promising. Thinking about, for example, "Silver Train" or "Sway" - a sort of mess like none really knowing who is doing and what, and none taking the whole thing in his shoulders or being determined to nail the thing. So my point is that to make that (beautiful in theory) three guitar concept work, would have asked too much rehearsal and work by them. The old dogs do not easily learn new tricks.
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Unfortunately the truth is much less nice and romantic than your assumption here. By all means it was the intention, mostly Jagger's, to get Taylor on board, back as a band member. But he and his manager just completely ruined it by being completely under rehearsed, substance abuse, attacks and arguments over royalties and money, and finally being exported out of a venue by security and being banned for good on charges of theft of merchandize proceedings.
Mathijs
The question is how much more he could have played on if he wasn't under-rehearsed.
They gave him spots to shine -Sway, Silver Train, CYHMK- and he just never delivered.
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Taylor1Under rehearsed? How much rehearsing was necessary for one or two songs he was allowed to play?Maybe the problem was giving him usually one song to play didn’t afford him the opportunity to warm up and get locked in.He still played better than Wood and Richards on those shows, although it wasn’t 1972-1973.But there were some nice moments like GlastonburyQuote
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Doxa
A dream indeed, taken that the guitarist has retired years ago. But what goes for the three guitar concept, Keith also seemed to be initially thrilled about the idea, but afterwards came to the conclusion that it does not work. I take the latter mean that the arrangements, including the guitar parts and roles, of modern Stones shows are so carved in stone after so many tours that it asks too much for the old men to think about changing them. Keith and Ronnie know their roles and parts by heart, and, you know, let it be so. The use of Taylor back in 2012/14 was mostly limited to parts he could shine 'isolated' with his solos ("Rambler", "Can't You Hear Me Knocking"), but not being that integral to the over-all sound and band dynamics. When they sometimes tried that the result were not that promising. Thinking about, for example, "Silver Train" or "Sway" - a sort of mess like none really knowing who is doing and what, and none taking the whole thing in his shoulders or being determined to nail the thing. So my point is that to make that (beautiful in theory) three guitar concept work, would have asked too much rehearsal and work by them. The old dogs do not easily learn new tricks.
- Doxa
Unfortunately the truth is much less nice and romantic than your assumption here. By all means it was the intention, mostly Jagger's, to get Taylor on board, back as a band member. But he and his manager just completely ruined it by being completely under rehearsed, substance abuse, attacks and arguments over royalties and money, and finally being exported out of a venue by security and being banned for good on charges of theft of merchandize proceedings.
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Doxa
The old dogs do not easily learn new tricks.
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I think that Keith and Ron were still great on that 1989tour.By 2013 they were not.I think Clapton also can’t play today like when he was in Cream.With regards to Little Red Rooster , hissolo is good but so are Keith and Wood on that performanceQuote
Stoneage
I remember when Clapton had a guest spot in 1989. No one can deny it was sheer brilliance on "Rooster". He was probably too good though because it became obvious
what the Stones don't have in their guitar section (solo brilliance). So I guess the three guitarists concept was dead from the beginning anyhow (not in recording though).
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exilestones
I author in the above article, Paul Sexton, highlighted "Snowy Wood," Mick Taylor with John Mayall (1967).
What favorite tracks do you think are particularly great that Mick Taylor plays on outside the Rolling Stones? Officially released of not, it doesn't matter.
Thanks for your input.
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Also, do you have any favorite tracks, live Mick Taylor played on with the Stones in 2012, 2013, & 2014?
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NICOS
The solo on this track reminds me of Can't You Hear Me Knocking
"Snowy Wood" – CRUSADE John Mayall – 1967
Composer Lyricist: Mick Taylor & John Mayall
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Rockman
Unfortunately, nothing is on a par with his work with the Stones
Yeah that pretty well sums it up ...
Mick and Keith’s solo albums aren’t as good as their top 15 studio albums either. And Mick Taylor was more than a sideman .He was a band member.Broken Hands,Giddy Up,Leather Jacket and Spanish A Minor are good songsQuote
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Rockman
Unfortunately, nothing is on a par with his work with the Stones
Yeah that pretty well sums it up ...
Imo that is the problem all the band’s sidemen face : Nicky or Bobby Keys were there during the bands golden age, they added beautiful things to Mick and Keith’s songs.
But if you listen to their solo albums made during the same golden era (the early mid-70s), well there is very little to enjoy. Same goes for MT a bit later in 1979.
It is as if Mick and Keith gave their sidemen talent. Weird, huh...
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Taylor1Mick and Keith’s solo albums aren’t as good as their top 15 studio albums either. And Mick Taylor was more than a sideman .He was a band member.Broken Hands,Giddy Up,Leather Jacket and Spanish A Minor are good songsQuote
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Rockman
Unfortunately, nothing is on a par with his work with the Stones
Yeah that pretty well sums it up ...
Imo that is the problem all the band’s sidemen face : Nicky or Bobby Keys were there during the bands golden age, they added beautiful things to Mick and Keith’s songs.
But if you listen to their solo albums made during the same golden era (the early mid-70s), well there is very little to enjoy. Same goes for MT a bit later in 1979.
It is as if Mick and Keith gave their sidemen talent. Weird, huh...
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Taylor1Mick and Keith’s solo albums aren’t as good as their top 15 studio albums either. And Mick Taylor was more than a sideman .He was a band member.Broken Hands,Giddy Up,Leather Jacket and Spanish A Minor are good songsQuote
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Rockman
Unfortunately, nothing is on a par with his work with the Stones
Yeah that pretty well sums it up ...
Imo that is the problem all the band’s sidemen face : Nicky or Bobby Keys were there during the bands golden age, they added beautiful things to Mick and Keith’s songs.
But if you listen to their solo albums made during the same golden era (the early mid-70s), well there is very little to enjoy. Same goes for MT a bit later in 1979.
It is as if Mick and Keith gave their sidemen talent. Weird, huh...
Those songs are not top 15 Stones album material, imo. Sweet Thing, Evening Gown, You Don't Move Me and Make No Mistake do have that quality.
Btw, I like the Stones's version of Leather Jacket.
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TravelinMan
...Let Jagger sing those songs and Charlie drum on them. A song is a song, I think you might be thinking about your preferred performance. Dylan wrote Watchtower, but it took Hendrix to make it a masterpiece. Ask FM radio