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It's a bit sad that full time professional musicians can't do a better job than that. I enjoyed the Melbourne show while I was there but when I listened back to the audio it really wasn't as good as I first thought. Mistakes, timing issues and some songs sounding not even close to the originals, a little more care in the playing and a little less running around might help.
You're kidding right?? The Stones have hardly ever performed songs live as they were recorded (Originals)... Live interpretations of songs are one of the main reasons I go to see a band perform... you have the record if you want that version... different musicians on these recordings, having played most of these 1,000's of time are just two of the reasons these aren't 100% like the "Originals"
I thought you would have been happy just to see and hear the Stones with MT after all the postponements of the past year or so... SMH
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
So why do they play it only occasionally, then?
JJF is a warhorse, YGMR is not.
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
So why do they play it only occasionally, then?
JJF is a warhorse, YGMR is not.
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DandelionPowderman
Some numbers win the crowd over EVERY night, some are played often but are not the songs they ALWAYS build their shows around. Agree?
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
So why do they play it only occasionally, then?
JJF is a warhorse, YGMR is not.
They play it too much. That 12-12-12 concert, whatever that was, they played it. One of two songs. That's ridiculous.
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OOC will probably be a warhorse on the 2050-tour
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You're starting the shows on the John, Skip?
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
So why do they play it only occasionally, then?
JJF is a warhorse, YGMR is not.
They play it too much. That 12-12-12 concert, whatever that was, they played it. One of two songs. That's ridiculous.
I never said they didn't play it too much
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The Stones have made YGMR a warhorse.
And that... is that.
So why do they play it only occasionally, then?
JJF is a warhorse, YGMR is not.
They play it too much. That 12-12-12 concert, whatever that was, they played it. One of two songs. That's ridiculous.
I never said they didn't play it too much
So... they do play it too much. WARHORSE! WARHORSE! I tol' ya! SEE? HA HA!
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To repeat my point, Witness, a song from 1994 that hasn't even been played regularly on every tour hasn't yet grown to be a warhorse. On this tour it has been played sporadically. It's not the song that the Stones would go to war with, to put it mildly
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Your math is dubious at best. It's almost like you believe that there wasn't a world before 1994, when all the warhorses were bred up.
YGMR has not been played regularly on the 2012-2014 tour, hence it ISN'T a warhorse. It has not been played more often than Gimmie Shelter, YCAGWYW, Miss You or the others during the years, of course.
You can keep on saying that playing a song often over a relatively short span of time defines a warhorse, but I don't agree with that, ok?
PS: The Stones have done way more than five tours. Your statistical selection is dubious, too.
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Anyway, sometimes it is wonderful with some passion.
I can't claim to be incontestably right in the following and consequently I will run the risk of passing as one that has no idea of what I am talking about. Be that as it may:
I think that warhorse is not necessarily a pure and welldefined statistical concept. Rather it applies to songs that are relatively wellknown in the minds of the concertgoers as Stones-songs.
If you go by that standard for a warhorse,then " Emotional Rescue " , " Time Is On My Side " ( despite that it is not an original Stones composition ), and " Waiting On A Friend" would be considered as warhorses ..... which they are not ..... as far as I know.
Anyway,I didn't mean to mess up this thread. This part of it may need to be separated out into another thread.
I just can't stand revisionist history. I also can't stand the claim of people who say these warhorses are their best songs because,when it comes down to it,I believe that they would be saying the same thing if the list of warhorses was slightly different.
It depends. On what? On what is meant with relatively wellknown in the minds of concertgoers as Stones songs. With what I myself understand by relatively wellknown, your examples will not be taken to be warhorses.
Unprecise as it is, presented as such, I think many posters may disagree mutually as to some of the candidates to be warhorses. However, my guess is that very few will think about "You Got Me Rocking" as a warhorse. My impression is that the term never was meant to be a statistical concept, against which was to measured empirically absolute and relative frequencies for songs to having been included in setlists.
I think the IORR-term 'warhorse' in case, if its meaning is to be circled in the way I have understood posts, has to be determined in two stages. The first and principal one, is that a song has to be regarded as suitably wellknown by concertgoers as Stones songs. That may result in a list of possible warhorses. And a complementary list of songs that are not-possible-warhorses. (Again there will be disagreement on as much as the use of this first stage (or principal) criterium.) Then we enter the second stage. There is introduced an impression, probably more that than exact frequencies in a hardcore sense, of songs that are played often. Then from the contested and maybe changing list of possible warhorses, songs may be taken as a) current actual warhorses, b) once actual warhorses that have fallen out, but with a capacity either to reenter or not reenter the actual warhorses, c) songs, for some time outside, that has succeded in regaining a status as actual warhorses, d) possibly some wellknown song(s), never before a warhorse, might be made a warhorse.
However, a song has first to be a wellknown song. Even "Undercover of the Night" would have some difficulty in being made a warhorse now. The only course I see for a song from later than "Start Me Up" now to become a warhorse, and I doubt that it may happen, I think would be if the band made a studio album now that was a massive commercial success, and had one immensely popular song that could made a warhorse.
You may legitimately disagree in my criteria (or "criteria" ), of course. Vague as they are, my hypothesis is that they capture quite much of what warhorses mean for many IORR-posters.
Whether it is my thinking or the idea of naming " You Got Me Rocking" as warhorse, which is more revisionist I leave to others to judge. Outside this issue, as far as Stones goes, I like to meet some revisions of views. And finally, to me, best songs and best known songs of the Stones are not completely identical, However, some relation there is between them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-11-24 20:57 by Witness.