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It's not a warhorse. It's too new, and it's not in the warhorse section. Never has been.
Guy. The song is over 20 years old.
If a song is played at nearly every show for 5 tours in a row,I think that qualifies it as a warhorse.
That is especially true if it is played more than another song already agreed upon as a warhorse - which is the case here.
Voodoo Lounge Tour / Bridges to Babylon Tour / No Security Tour / Licks Tour / A Bigger Bang Tour .
1994 / 1995 / 1997 / 1998 / 1999 / 2002 / 2003 / 2005 / part of 2006 .
Warhorse section ?? The whole set list has devolved into one large warhorse section.
If you are talking about the end of the set,you are wrong there as well. I personally witnessed "You Got Me Rocking" being performed in that section on September 5th,2002 so don't bother telling me that it didn't happen. It is pretty well documented. I was not the only person there. So,thank you but,it is painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
In addition,"YGMR" is usually played as 1 of the first 3 songs of the show but,I guess that is not the "warhorse" section.
Guess what. "Tumbling Dice" has not been played regularly in ' end of the set list warhorse section ' since 1982 except for the 1997 to 1999 era and except for a very small number of shows during the past 12 + years.
It doesn't have warhorse status, no matter how you twist it.
In fact, I have never seen a fan call it a warhorse ever before now.
You forgot one important point: The song has to be really well-known...
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Just take a minute and think over what the word really means.
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The term ' warhorse ' is used to describe the most frequently performed songs.
It is not used to describe songs that people would be disappointed not to hear. Neither is it used to describe songs purely by their popularity.
If that were the case,then "Time Is On My Side" would be a warhorse .
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Just take a minute and think over what the word really means.
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The term ' warhorse ' is used to describe the most frequently performed songs.
It is not used to describe songs that people would be disappointed not to hear. Neither is it used to describe songs purely by their popularity.
If that were the case,then "Time Is On My Side" would be a warhorse .
What other description do you want ?? A horse brought into a war ??
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Wow, we have a number of major disagreements here.
I rather like this from someone who has seen them three times over a twenty year period:
"Those bloody guitar players being not so glug glug boozy/messy/bum notes etc has made ALL the difference - they are a mean loud guitar band again, Chuck and horns are not pushed up in the mix like they were in the past to cover for the sloppy guitars. Keith and ronnie would have their moments on previous recent tours but really they are so much on point this time, Keith is focused and playing lovely..."
As far as "Miss You," just looking at Side 1, I can find at least two songs I like better, SG, and BoB, and all of them are decent:
Disc 1
1. Miss You
2. When The Whip Comes Down
3. Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me)
4. Some Girls
5. Lies
6. Far Away Eyes
7. Respectable
8. Before They Make Me Run
9. Beast of Burden
10. Shattered
We all got our opinions, our 2 cents, our two pence, for what they're worth.
Interesting stuff, anyway.
I love BOB as well, and SG is my favourite album. But I think Miss You made this album big.
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YGMR is not a warhorse. SFM should have remained a warhorse.
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It's not a warhorse. It's too new, and it's not in the warhorse section. Never has been.
For me, Miss You is the best track on the album. For millions of others as well, I reckon.
Unfortunately you're wrong, it is.
Miss You the best track on SOME GIRLS?
HA HA HA HA HA!
Come ON! You've really got to think about that one.
The studio version on MY is up there with the best they ever did, imo.
Most fans at shows don't have a clue about what YGMR is or sounds like - hence it wouldn't even help them over a tiny creek in the war.
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They don't have to know it to go "hey hey". A monkey could do that.
They can play Popey The Sailor as song #2, and people would scream and shout the same way.
But try to put this song near the end with the others and see what happens...
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It was at Soldier's Field, but of course it didn't stay there for long...
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It was at Soldier's Field, but of course it didn't stay there for long...
Soldier Field... you really have to get that correct. People in Chicago get PISSED when you say Soldier's Field... it was named for soldiers that died in wars, not for a specific soldier...
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Have you ever been to a Bears game at Soldier Field? I went to three - and they lost all of them.
Pretty cool though. Well, actually, one game was outright cold...
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It's not a warhorse. It's too new, and it's not in the warhorse section. Never has been.
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If a song is played at nearly every show for 5 tours in a row,I think that qualifies it as a warhorse.
That is especially true if it is played more than another song already agreed upon as a warhorse - which is the case here.
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Warhorse section ?? The whole set list has devolved into one large warhorse section.
If you are talking about the end of the set,you are wrong there as well
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So,thank you but,it is painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Miss You is the best song of the album. ...................
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And regarding your first statement in that post,no, "Miss You" is not the best song of the album.
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Have you ever been to a Bears game at Soldier Field? I went to three - and they lost all of them.
Pretty cool though. Well, actually, one game was outright cold...
The only time I've been to Chicago I actually played concerts myself. Luckily indoors
Didn't the Stones do an outdoor show in the winter there a few years ago?
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It's not a warhorse. It's too new, and it's not in the warhorse section. Never has been.
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If a song is played at nearly every show for 5 tours in a row,I think that qualifies it as a warhorse.
That is especially true if it is played more than another song already agreed upon as a warhorse - which is the case here.
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Warhorse section ?? The whole set list has devolved into one large warhorse section.
If you are talking about the end of the set,you are wrong there as well.
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So,thank you but,it is painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Anyway, sometimes it is wonderful with some passion.
I can't claim to be incontestably right in the following and consequently I will run the risk of passing as one that has no idea of what I am talking about. Be that as it may:
I think that warhorse is not necessarily a pure and welldefined statistical concept. Rather it applies to songs that are relatively wellknown in the minds of the concertgoers as Stones-songs.Quote
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Miss You is the best song of the album. ...................
If you go by that standard for a warhorse,then " Emotional Rescue " , " Time Is On My Side " ( despite that it is not an original Stones composition ), and " Waiting On A Friend" would be considered as warhorses ..... which they are not ..... as far as I know.
Anyway,I didn't mean to mess up this thread. This part of it may need to be separated out into another thread.
I just can't stand revisionist history. I also can't stand the claim of people who say these warhorses are their best songs because,when it comes down to it,I believe that they would be saying the same thing if the list of warhorses was slightly different.
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It's not a warhorse. It's too new, and it's not in the warhorse section. Never has been.
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If a song is played at nearly every show for 5 tours in a row,I think that qualifies it as a warhorse.
That is especially true if it is played more than another song already agreed upon as a warhorse - which is the case here.
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Warhorse section ?? The whole set list has devolved into one large warhorse section.
If you are talking about the end of the set,you are wrong there as well.
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So,thank you but,it is painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Anyway, sometimes it is wonderful with some passion.
I can't claim to be incontestably right in the following and consequently I will run the risk of passing as one that has no idea of what I am talking about. Be that as it may:
I think that warhorse is not necessarily a pure and welldefined statistical concept. Rather it applies to songs that are relatively wellknown in the minds of the concertgoers as Stones-songs.
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They don't have to know it to go "hey hey". A monkey could do that.
They can play Popey The Sailor as song #2, and people would scream and shout the same way.
But try to put this song near the end with the others and see what happens...
I know they don't and I know a monkey could but... they do!
That Popeye The Sailor thing has always been such a crock of shit! They never played that!
Have the Stones ever put YRMR towards the end of the setlist? I can't recall. You know they put it towards the front to get people up, because Mick was a butcher cutting up meat AND he was a boxer that came in off the street... or something.
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Do you really believe that ALL the fans, tourists included, are demanding to hear ER or TIOMS - or worse, do you believe that this is what I'm saying?
They can play YGMR a zillion times. It still won't become a warhorse. It's only a fun number for the band to play, not one of their most well-known songs that the band believes everyone wants to hear.
This is my last warhorse-post!