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It is so water down now the hall. Its Like the legends and the good

More like the legends, the good, and the mediocre. Someday, everyone who ever had a record on the charts will be in there .... except the Moody Blues .... they still won't be in.

Any idea why the Moody Blues are not in?

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Nothing against The Spinners but what about other top 40 bands like Three Dog Night and The Guess Who?

I swear they use a dart board

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why don't you think SRV should be in? muddy waters, bb king, howlin wolf, etc are all in

I feel badly that I've been so misunderstood in this thread... That first post of mine didn't explain well enough and attempts since keep failing... Although I'm starting to fear my own redundancy, I'll try again... It is a kinda fun conversation that's developing here this year...

I think the biggest problem in my explinations to y'all is the fact that I've ended up talking about what has ended up being an "idealistic" rock & roll hall of fame as opposed to the real one that exists in Cleveland and has become more of a pop music hall of fame (aka Jan Werner's hall of personal favorites).

To answer the question quoted above directly: Based on that argument, I would agree that SRV should be in the Cleveland Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. In my idealistic R&RHOF, I'd probably have Muddy in there but not so sure about BB & Wolf. Possibly Wolf but probably not BB (although he’d be in my list of MVP’s at the Blues HOF).

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I don't get the folks on here thinking SRV is somehow not R&R HoF-worthy. He dressed R&R, he lived R&R and his cover of Voodoo Child alone makes him worthy even under a stricter definition (i.e. -no pop, rap, techno, country, blues), wouldn't ya say?

Thanks for saying “folks” as opposed to pointing a finger straight at me In no way do I think SRV is unworthy of HOF status. I’m actually loving the numbers you posted which show that the public is currently trending w/ SRV at #1. I didn’t know the public could vote. Compared to many previous inductees, SRV is almost necessary for legitimacy. While your clothes and life arguments would fall on deaf ears when trying to sway my vote, there’s a good chance that you could use the Voodoo Child argument to great effect in getting me to put SRV in the DJAR&RHOF.

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Like I say every year, call the Hall some type of Music Hall of Fame, just so we don't have to hear who's RnR and who isn't. NWA isn't rock, I get it by now.

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That'd be fine. But until they do, the complaints are genuine. They've ruined the Hall anyway. The name should be long changed. But sorry, the place was built always as an exclusive place for the best of the best. Around 2000, they became VERY lenient with that and it’s now just a total crapshoot. Again, people go in now either because there's no one left or they are the best of a bad situation. It never should have been yearly, but in the end Rock And Roll is in the title. It’s meant to be just for that. Until they change that, I'll continue to argue about it.

The two posts above probably illustrate the reasons I’m struggling to explain my thought better than I could do/have done thus far. My initial post where I said I’d put SRV in a blues HOF but probably not in a R&RHOF has more to do with me taking an idealistic view as opposed a realistic. Paraphrasing Rolling Freak: people (seem to) go in now either because there's no one left or they are the best of a bad situation… in the end Rock And Roll is in the title.

Thanks to all for not throwing me under the bus while raking me over the coals. Also thanks to those who wrote thoughts similar to one’s I have better than I could have done. I appreciate the dialogue. In the future I’ll try to do a better job articulating the differences between MrDJA’s ideal R&RHOF vs. Jan Werner’s Hall of Personal Favorites.

Peace,
Mr DJA

Ironic footnote: I googled “rock and roll hall of fame vote” and tried to vote at the “rollingstone.com” website.

Forbidden (403)
CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.

was the message I received… If I didn’t know how tight my company’s IT security was I might have thought that Mr. Wenrer was holding this conversation against me! My ballot: Joan Jett, Lou Reed & Stevie Ray Vaughan… Like I said, considering previous (and most likely future) inductees, Mr Werner’s R&RHOF almost NEEDS SRV in it for legitimacy.

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Besides SRV and Lou Reed I think all the candidates are pretty weak. Basically the more questionable people they let into the Hall the more diluted and less important it becomes to me.

Unfortunately, Rock and Roll seems to be a diminishing art form so maybe they should reduce the amount of inductees proportionally...... peace

were Kraftwerk and the Smiths WEAK ?

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Lou Reed
Sting
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
War
Stevie Ray Vaughan
The Marvelettes
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Spinners
Green Day
Nine Inch Nails
Chic
N.W.A.
The Smiths
Kraftwerk
Bill Withers .

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Lou Reed
Sting
Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
War
Stevie Ray Vaughan
The Marvelettes
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
The Spinners
Green Day
Nine Inch Nails
Chic
N.W.A.
The Smiths
Kraftwerk
Bill Withers .

I would pick

Lou Reed - absolutely; he deserves it for both - VU and solo.

Stevie Ray - also a no brainer for me

Smiths - I myself was never a fan; not at all, but I think their imoact and influence was massive. Morrissey stood for so much, and Johnny Marr was perfect for him.

Chic- I thought they were already in. Pioneers; Rodgers and Edwards rule

Kraftwerk - I think this one my be the most definite choice for me. Truly original in their time, and they changed so much; incredibly influential

NWA - again, not a hige fan, but can anyone deny their impact still to this day?

War - maybe, just not sure if their output was that strong

Spinners - like the Marvelettes, one of those two might get inducted , and I would choose Spinners between those two names

Joan Jett - big fan here, but IMO it is the Runaways who should get the call up

Bill Withers, Paul BUtterfield Blues Band - they have a few hits, strong musicianship; but... not sexy enough. How many more times do I have to hear "Use me" and "Sunshine"?

NIN - hmm, yes. I just wonder if it should be Trent Reznor who gets inducted officially. deep body of work.

Sting - ugh. OK, the Police deserved it on the first go-around; no brainer. But Sting? One of the most self inflated solo careers ever

Green Day - I am like ; really? Seriously? I respect that Billy Armstrong has reakky honed his craft; he has grown immensely as a writer. I just can't stand them.

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I feel badly that I've been so misunderstood in this thread...

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Thanks swiss! Nice to hear that I'm not confusing everyone and that some actually think along the same lines as I do!



Peace,
Mr DJA

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All of today's popular music can trace it's DNA back to either Chuck Berry or Kraftwerk, and yet the latter is still waiting to be inducted...

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Besides SRV and Lou Reed I think all the candidates are pretty weak.

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Nothing against The Spinners but what about other top 40 bands like Three Dog Night and The Guess Who?

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I, too, have never understood the fascination some people have with Joan Jett. I think she's one of the worst singers I've ever heard, with a truly unpleasant-sounding voice.

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I, too, have never understood the fascination some people have with Joan Jett. I think she's one of the worst singers I've ever heard, with a truly unpleasant-sounding voice.

I'll say this: her bellowing on "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" kind of fit anthemic ambitions of the song, but beyond that, her voice was pretty insufferable.

More than anything, this is a political choice.

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I'm happy Sting didn't get in. I thought he was a lock just due to popularity, and he deserves to be in for the Police, but solo isn't my taste. Shocked that Green Day isn't going in. They seemed like the GNR or Nirvana of this year of the obvious act that going in because they're "semi-current".

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Listen, I'm not a Joan Jett fan, but the bottom line is she is a pretty big influence...and Kraftwerk, which are just stupid IMO.

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I'm happy Sting didn't get in. I thought he was a lock just due to popularity, and he deserves to be in for the Police, but solo isn't my taste. Shocked that Green Day isn't going in. They seemed like the GNR or Nirvana of this year of the obvious act that going in because they're "semi-current".

We don't know who's getting in and who's not getting in. This is just the fan vote. It plays a part in determining who gets in, but it's not binding. Safe to say SRV is a lock, but beyond that it's anybody's guess.

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Listen, I'm not a Joan Jett fan, but the bottom line is she is a pretty big influence...and Kraftwerk, which are just stupid IMO.

So....Joan Jett is an influence but Kraftwerk is "just stupid"? Hmmmm. I'll have to think about that one.