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I wonder whether the deep appreciation of this song is experienced more by non-Americans than Americans...?
No I don't believe so swiss .,... plus bare in mind that most people including Americans wouldn't have had a clue who Fred McDowell was if it wasn't for the Stones ....
That's true - many wouldn't. What I mean, more, is --whether or not an American listens to or is
into-- the blues, it does arise from American black culture, and it's (a sociologist or
ethnomusicologist could say this better) part of the sounds we hear, black American English,
a sense of how black people talk, sing, and have been characterized positively and negatively
over time. Just sort of blues, and what it arose from, absorbed through osmosis, even if
you're not that into it. As such, nuances in the way Mick is singing may not be experienced in the
same way by a non-American as an American. Mick's voice in Gotta Move sounds/feels to me
like it's approaching parody. (checked the definition of parody to make sure it was the mot juste,
and it is: "an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate
exaggeration for comic effect." )
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Rockman
I wonder whether the deep appreciation of this song is experienced more by non-Americans than Americans...?
No I don't believe so swiss .,... plus bare in mind that most people including Americans wouldn't have had a clue who Fred McDowell was if it wasn't for the Stones ....
That's true - many wouldn't. What I mean, more, is --whether or not an American listens to or is
into-- the blues, it does arise from American black culture, and it's (a sociologist or
ethnomusicologist could say this better) part of the sounds we hear, black American English,
a sense of how black people talk, sing, and have been characterized positively and negatively
over time. Just sort of blues, and what it arose from, absorbed through osmosis, even if
you're not that into it. As such, nuances in the way Mick is singing may not be experienced in the
same way by a non-American as an American. Mick's voice in Gotta Move sounds/feels to me
like it's approaching parody. (checked the definition of parody to make sure it was the mot juste,
and it is: "an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate
exaggeration for comic effect." )
It's both a homage and a parody, imo. In Gimme Shelter, you can clearly see Mick laugh of one of his phrases in You Gotta Move.
However, he probably wouldn't have put on that accent, nor the deep voice, if he didn't think it was cool.
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Rockman
I wonder whether the deep appreciation of this song is experienced more by non-Americans than Americans...?
No I don't believe so swiss .,... plus bare in mind that most people including Americans wouldn't have had a clue who Fred McDowell was if it wasn't for the Stones ....
That's true - many wouldn't. What I mean, more, is --whether or not an American listens to or is
into-- the blues, it does arise from American black culture, and it's (a sociologist or
ethnomusicologist could say this better) part of the sounds we hear, black American English,
a sense of how black people talk, sing, and have been characterized positively and negatively
over time. Just sort of blues, and what it arose from, absorbed through osmosis, even if
you're not that into it. As such, nuances in the way Mick is singing may not be experienced in the
same way by a non-American as an American. Mick's voice in Gotta Move sounds/feels to me
like it's approaching parody. (checked the definition of parody to make sure it was the mot juste,
and it is: "an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate
exaggeration for comic effect." )
It's both a homage and a parody, imo. In Gimme Shelter, you can clearly see Mick laugh of one of his phrases in You Gotta Move.
However, he probably wouldn't have put on that accent, nor the deep voice, if he didn't think it was cool.
Well...what's "cool," tho? That is the question.
Clearly he thought it sounded cool. But is it "cool" to imitate someone to the point of parody?
That interpretation may differ by culture, I'm saying. To me, what Mick does in this song, with
that affected voice, is a little embarrassing/cringe-worthy.
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
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liddas
I don't hear the parody thing. What I hear is 100% Jagger respectfully putting his own stamp on the blues. Jagger clearly feels the aura of Muscle Shoals but doesn't give up his young English rocker's attitude. While handling perfectly the timing & phrasing of the great blues singers, he doesn't try to reproduce a black timbre. And this is a big sign of character.
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The slide line has a couple of notes that are unique.
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Why am I not hearing what you're all hearing?
earwax buildup?
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
The Live Version which I agree is one of the best recordings ever for them, makes the Album version seem awful. They should have done a much better job..
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
The Live Version which I agree is one of the best recordings ever for them, makes the Album version seem awful. They should have done a much better job..
I love the studio version the most. Which live version did you have in mind?
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
The Live Version which I agree is one of the best recordings ever for them, makes the Album version seem awful. They should have done a much better job..
I love the studio version the most. Which live version did you have in mind?
...I'm sure we're all talking 'bout their version on the "Love You Live" double-album from '76-'77.
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RobertJohnson
The version of the 11th is simply great and far above the messy one from the 13th. There Mick misses repeatedly the right entry. Ronnie saves the mess from a desaster by his great guitar licks especially at the end.
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
The Live Version which I agree is one of the best recordings ever for them, makes the Album version seem awful. They should have done a much better job..
I love the studio version the most. Which live version did you have in mind?
...I'm sure we're all talking 'bout their version on the "Love You Live" double-album from '76-'77.
No, he's talking about Love In Vain here.
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Sticky Fingers version is awful. Right up there with Country Honk or Let It Bleeds Love in Vain.. Just awful recordings. Total filler.
The Live Version is great.
Love In Vain is an "awful recording"??
It's probably one of the best recordings they ever cut - when it comes to sound, dynamics as well as crossing genres. One of Keith's finest guitar tracks ever, imo.
Out of curiousity, what is it that you don't like about Love In Vain?
The Live Version which I agree is one of the best recordings ever for them, makes the Album version seem awful. They should have done a much better job..
I love the studio version the most. Which live version did you have in mind?
...I'm sure we're all talking 'bout their version on the "Love You Live" double-album from '76-'77.
No, he's talking about Love In Vain here. I just wondered why he found the studio version poor, as well as which live version he was referring to...
My favourite of the four officially released Love In Vain-versions is the studio version, with Live In Texas as a close second. All are good, though.
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I don't hear the parody thing. What I hear is 100% Jagger respectfully putting his own stamp on the blues. Jagger clearly feels the aura of Muscle Shoals but doesn't give up his young English rocker's attitude. While handling perfectly the timing & phrasing of the great blues singers, he doesn't try to reproduce a black timbre. And this is a big sign of character.
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It's that moment in Gimme Shelter where a tipsy Mick sings "You gawt tea mooo".
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You Gotta Move naturally led to Let It Loose.
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I don't hear the parody thing. What I hear is 100% Jagger respectfully putting his own stamp on the blues. Jagger clearly feels the aura of Muscle Shoals but doesn't give up his young English rocker's attitude. While handling perfectly the timing & phrasing of the great blues singers, he doesn't try to reproduce a black timbre. And this is a big sign of character.
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It's that moment in Gimme Shelter where a tipsy Mick sings "You gawt tea mooo".
Now I can't get 'You Got To Moo' out of my head. I'll never listen to it the same way again.
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RollingFreak
Just listened to Sticky Fingers in full, which is always a lot of fun. But it got me thinking about something. If there was ever a problem I've had with that album, its been with You Gotta Move.
I always find myself wondering if I like the song. I used to think it was the only flaw of the record, and kills what is a stunning album. Its maybe whats always prevented it from beating Let It Bleed in my mind, which has Country Honk but I've always seemed to be able to get on board with that one. Another opinion about the song that has grown on me is I guess its the only real "roots" song on the record, surrounded by blockbuster tracks and hard rock mainstream songs that the public would love. And in that respect, it kind of makes it a bit more admirable they included it, knowing that it would probably be the gem of the record.
What are people's thoughts about it? I've come around to it, although I still wouldn't be upset if it was deleted from the record. Just never truly fit for me, but I wonder how many would say "how can you not like that song but like The Stones?! That song alone is what they are all about".
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Just listened to Sticky Fingers in full, which is always a lot of fun. But it got me thinking about something. If there was ever a problem I've had with that album, its been with You Gotta Move.
I always find myself wondering if I like the song. I used to think it was the only flaw of the record, and kills what is a stunning album. Its maybe whats always prevented it from beating Let It Bleed in my mind, which has Country Honk but I've always seemed to be able to get on board with that one. Another opinion about the song that has grown on me is I guess its the only real "roots" song on the record, surrounded by blockbuster tracks and hard rock mainstream songs that the public would love. And in that respect, it kind of makes it a bit more admirable they included it, knowing that it would probably be the gem of the record.
What are people's thoughts about it? I've come around to it, although I still wouldn't be upset if it was deleted from the record. Just never truly fit for me, but I wonder how many would say "how can you not like that song but like The Stones?! That song alone is what they are all about".
......"and kills what is a stunning album" ???
What exactly do you mean by kills what is a stunning album.
You Gotta Move is Kick F'ing A !!!