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leteyer
Found this Tweet in an article abiut the album and it is really funny:
@dimasario if you play a U2 song backwards, you'll hear messages from the devil. Even worse, if you play it forward, you'll hear U2. )
I am still laughing.
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U2Stonesfan
And if you play it forward a couple times, you might end up likeing it^^^
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frankotero
For me Pop was their low point...
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frankotero
For me Pop was their low point...
It sure was! I was a huge U2 fan before that album. Rattle & Hum is U2 at its finest! Pop is U2 at its worst. The new album is somewhere in between (i guess, obviously).
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frankotero
For me Pop was their low point...
It sure was! I was a huge U2 fan before that album. Rattle & Hum is U2 at its finest! Pop is U2 at its worst. The new album is somewhere in between (i guess, obviously).
Rattle and Hum has some good songs; it got absolutely slated on release; and to a point, still is. The arrogance of the band, ingratiating themselves with influences they never had - Dylan, BB King, Elvis...etc. The live footage in the movie is good, but the album; despite some genuinely good tracks, but nowhere as good as the excellent 'Joshua Tree' and 'Achtung Baby'.
The Super Deluxe of Achtung I'm listening at the moment, it's magnificent - full disc of B Sides, and a full disc of alternate/extended versions of the full album.
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triceratops
I would love to have it confirmed that Apple paid U2 100 million dollars for this allegedly free album. If true then U2 made out just fine and it was not sent out for free. Someone paid. And this was Apple who did this for business reasons and PR. Nothing wrong with Apple doing this. I make no negative judgement on this. This is business and PR.
I would only fault U2 giving off the image that they are giving out their latest album for free out of the goodness of their hearts....no...they are getting paid by Apple (if confirmed)
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mtaylor
The same with U2 "business" - leaving Ireland because of tax issues.
I don't mind if they do that or not, but then don't "preach" to other people how to behave, to give money, fundrasing, doing business for free and so on.
They are just as anybody else - they like as much money in their own pocket as possible. They are not better than anybody else.
But that's not the impression Bono / Edge try to give - they try to give a false impression of themselves being good taxpayers, contributers to poverty, giving things for free etc. and they are not.
In that respect, I much more like Stones - they keep low profile and do what they want in a discrete way.
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triceratops
I would love to have it confirmed that Apple paid U2 100 million dollars for this allegedly free album. If true then U2 made out just fine and it was not sent out for free. Someone paid. And this was Apple who did this for business reasons and PR. Nothing wrong with Apple doing this. I make no negative judgement on this. This is business and PR.
I would only fault U2 giving off the image that they are giving out their latest album for free out of the goodness of their hearts....no...they are getting paid by Apple (if confirmed)
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liddas
I truly don't understand how U2/Apple giving for free (and "free" it is not, but this is another discussion) can harm other artists.
The music business is not better or worse than what it was 30 years ago. It's only different.
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frankotero
For me Pop was their low point...
It sure was! I was a huge U2 fan before that album. Rattle & Hum is U2 at its finest! Pop is U2 at its worst. The new album is somewhere in between (i guess, obviously).
Rattle and Hum has some good songs; it got absolutely slated on release; and to a point, still is. The arrogance of the band, ingratiating themselves with influences they never had - Dylan, BB King, Elvis...etc. The live footage in the movie is good, but the album; despite some genuinely good tracks, but nowhere as good as the excellent 'Joshua Tree' and 'Achtung Baby'.
The Super Deluxe of Achtung I'm listening at the moment, it's magnificent - full disc of B Sides, and a full disc of alternate/extended versions of the full album.
A full disc of alternate/extended versions of the album? I didn't know about that one. I got the 2 disc reissue. I didn't spring for the 6 disc set. I know it's got a lot of those horrible 'remixes' on it. And the 'baby' version of the album, which I guess is earlier mixes of the LP tracks.
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frankotero
Hey treacle basically I have to say I like you from all your posts, but if I can give you some friendly advice I would say try this album for yourself. Don't be too involved with other people's opinion. Well now I probably said too much. Anyhow we're friends of music.
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treaclefingers
I think the bad PR could have been mostly avoided had U2 and Apple come out and said that U2's fee that Apple was paying, the $50 million (or whatever the hell it actually is) is being donated to build hospitals in Africa, and that Apple was matching that fee.
I still may not like the album, but probably wouldn't be as jaded as I am reading some of the stories on this.
I haven't listened to the album but know people that like it so I will give it a try. But even if I do like it, I don't like the 'privilege' and unprecedented access U2 has received here.
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treaclefingers
I think the bad PR could have been mostly avoided had U2 and Apple come out and said that U2's fee that Apple was paying, the $50 million (or whatever the hell it actually is) is being donated to build hospitals in Africa, and that Apple was matching that fee.
I still may not like the album, but probably wouldn't be as jaded as I am reading some of the stories on this.
I haven't listened to the album but know people that like it so I will give it a try. But even if I do like it, I don't like the 'privilege' and unprecedented access U2 has received here.
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The Stones
It's a fact that both The Rolling Stones and U2 are in for the big money and I actually couldn't care less about that.
Another fact is that U2 are still releasing new cds and the Stones are not.
So listen to the new U2 album and relax and remember that life is too short to be complaining about records,
especially if only one of the bands are writing new stuff.
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frankotero
Hey treacle basically I have to say I like you from all your posts, but if I can give you some friendly advice I would say try this album for yourself. Don't be too involved with other people's opinion. Well now I probably said too much. Anyhow we're friends of music.
Thanks frankotero...I'm definitely going to give it a try. In fact I already tried but was probably one of about 5 people of 500 million that couldn't actually FIND it the first time I looked in my iTunes, so I'll give it another try this morning.
I want to like the album but will note that I haven't liked anything they've done since All That You Can't Leave Behind in 2000 - and I love that album.
What I don't like is this 'campaign' but that wouldn't stop me from enjoying the music.
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liddas
I truly don't understand how U2/Apple giving for free (and "free" it is not, but this is another discussion) can harm other artists.
The music business is not better or worse than what it was 30 years ago. It's only different.
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I'll try to explain it for you.
Let's say you are in the business of making widgits (or chairs or computers or websites or just about anything else people want and will buy). You put your effort and time into making these widgits and of course expect to get paid for your efforts by selling said widgits.
One day you find out someone down the street is also making widgits but he is giving them away for free. Your widgit business tanks because everyone decides free widgits are better than ones they have to pay for. So, in frustration, you decide to get out of the widgit business and tell your kids " don't ever get into the widgit business, there is no money in it and people are getting widgits for free.
Now instead of widgits lets say your buisness is creating and recording songs. The songs take effort and time to create and you expect to be able to sell them to make a living........In this case they call it creative property but the analogy is still applicable.
So when U2/Apple give songs away for free they are contributing to this creative property devaluation that has killed the incentive for new and other artists to take up or continue this profession. The very same incentives that motivated U2 to record and market Rattle and Hum.
This financial reward is what made the record industry a much better place for artists 30 years ago. If you are strictly a consumer, yes you can get all your music for free or very cheaply so it may seem like a good thing for you; but I believe the quality of the music selection is bound to suffer since people who are smart enough to expect to make a decent living selling their recorded music will choose not to do so.
Hope you understand liddas. peace