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Yes, I do think Mick Taylor's DEPARTURE was responsible for the creative death of the Rolling Stones.
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Yes, I do think Mick Taylor's DEPARTURE was responsible for the creative death of the Rolling Stones.
Yet they came up with gems like Hand Of Fate, Memory Motel, Slave, Worried About You, Hey Negrita and others immediately after...
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Yes, I do think Mick Taylor's DEPARTURE was responsible for the creative death of the Rolling Stones.
Yet they came up with gems like Hand Of Fate, Memory Motel, Slave, Worried About You, Hey Negrita and others immediately after...
Some of my favourites
But great as they are, they are not as groundbreaking and original as most of what they did with MT.
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IMO, the groundbreaking stuff came in 1967/68. It was somewhat perfected with Taylor, though. It certainly wasn't anything new - only great
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IMO, the groundbreaking stuff came in 1967/68. It was somewhat perfected with Taylor, though. It certainly wasn't anything new - only great
Yeah, the world wasn't the same after when the three smash singles "We Love You", "She's A Rainbow", and the cherry at the top of them, "In Another Land" hit the stores. Of course, the albums FLOWERS and THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES gave us the blueprint for anything to come. That's the stuff The Stones are since then known for, and it is hard to think any of their recent hit show without material from that era..
Seriously, Dandie, I don't get quite get what "groundbreaking" the Stones did in 1967... they did one big pop hit single ("Ruby Tuesday"/"Let's Spend The Night Together" ), two so-so ranked albums (BUTTONS/SATANIC MAJESTIES) and what else?... The chords of "Street Fighting Man" were invented then?
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The way Keith used open G had nothing to do with how Ry used it - hence no copying, other than the tuning itself (which he first learned from Brian, according to Dick Taylor) minus one string
“KEITH’S OPEN G TUNING, WHATEVER ANYONE SAYS, I KNOW WHERE HE GOT IT FROM. OPEN G TUNING DEFINITELY CAME FROM BRIAN.”
- DICK TAYLOR.
Read this:
[trynka.net]
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DandelionPowderman
The way Keith used open G had nothing to do with how Ry used it - hence no copying, other than the tuning itself (which he first learned from Brian, according to Dick Taylor) minus one string
“KEITH’S OPEN G TUNING, WHATEVER ANYONE SAYS, I KNOW WHERE HE GOT IT FROM. OPEN G TUNING DEFINITELY CAME FROM BRIAN.”
- DICK TAYLOR.
Read this:
[trynka.net]
YEs but he did copy Ry Cooder, open G (HTW) and standard (Rambler, Monkey Man etc) tuning, heavily, in 1969. My point is that Keiths own style, the style he is famous for, the open G of Dice, JJF, Start me up, you got me rockin etc is something he has overused. A good example of how he still could invent something with the help of Open G is Love is Strong.
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No.
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DandelionPowderman
Besides there is lots of stuff on B2B (not my favourite album) that blows most of IORR out of the water.
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on the face of it, the evidence is clear. just prior to hiring taylor, the stones had recorded "beggar's banquet" and "let it bleed," two of their greatest albums. they were on a roll.
but by the time he left, they had just released "it's only rock-n-roll," one of their worst albums to date.
however, i'm inclined to give taylor some more credit than that. clearly heroin and distractions of being rich and comfortable took some of the edge of their creativity too.
what do you think, is mick taylor the reason the band completely tanked creatively in the mid-70s?
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Would things have been any different if Mick Taylor had decided to stick around?
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I think, based on the evidence of Time Waits For No One, the Stones would have journeyed more into jazz fusion, and Latino music. There was a tale that Mick Taylor went up the Amazon, listening to South American music circa 1974.
Prior to leaving, Mick Taylor also played with Mike Oldfield on the live Tubular Bells, so the musical direction, if Taylor stayed, would have been totally different to the direction the Stones took with Ron Wood.
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I think, based on the evidence of Time Waits For No One, the Stones would have journeyed more into jazz fusion, and Latino music. There was a tale that Mick Taylor went up the Amazon, listening to South American music circa 1974.
Prior to leaving, Mick Taylor also played with Mike Oldfield on the live Tubular Bells, so the musical direction, if Taylor stayed, would have been totally different to the direction the Stones took with Ron Wood.
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Besides there is lots of stuff on B2B (not my favourite album) that blows most of IORR out of the water.
Does it? But hey, this is a Taylor thread.
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I think, based on the evidence of Time Waits For No One, the Stones would have journeyed more into jazz fusion, and Latino music. There was a tale that Mick Taylor went up the Amazon, listening to South American music circa 1974.
Prior to leaving, Mick Taylor also played with Mike Oldfield on the live Tubular Bells, so the musical direction, if Taylor stayed, would have been totally different to the direction the Stones took with Ron Wood.
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Only if he killed Brian and i believe he has an alibi that does not rely on Tom Keylock's evidence.
Agree with a previous poster - over reliance on open G, drugs,lifestyle and laziness combined with the fact that most artists have a peak period which they rarely live up to subsequently are probably more likely as factors. Much as i'm a major Beatle fan they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings. Bummer. It happens to the best of 'em.
Enjoy what we got and the little gems that pop up here and there - i count Doom and Gloom in that...
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Only if he killed Brian and i believe he has an alibi that does not rely on Tom Keylock's evidence.
Agree with a previous poster - over reliance on open G, drugs,lifestyle and laziness combined with the fact that most artists have a peak period which they rarely live up to subsequently are probably more likely as factors. Much as i'm a major Beatle fan they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings. Bummer. It happens to the best of 'em.
Enjoy what we got and the little gems that pop up here and there - i count Doom and Gloom in that...
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Only if he killed Brian and i believe he has an alibi that does not rely on Tom Keylock's evidence.
Agree with a previous poster - over reliance on open G, drugs,lifestyle and laziness combined with the fact that most artists have a peak period which they rarely live up to subsequently are probably more likely as factors. Much as i'm a major Beatle fan they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings. Bummer. It happens to the best of 'em.
Enjoy what we got and the little gems that pop up here and there - i count Doom and Gloom in that...
"they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings."
Great statement.................
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Only if he killed Brian and i believe he has an alibi that does not rely on Tom Keylock's evidence.
Agree with a previous poster - over reliance on open G, drugs,lifestyle and laziness combined with the fact that most artists have a peak period which they rarely live up to subsequently are probably more likely as factors. Much as i'm a major Beatle fan they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings. Bummer. It happens to the best of 'em.
Enjoy what we got and the little gems that pop up here and there - i count Doom and Gloom in that...
"they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings."
Great statement.................
I didn't know Linda and Denny Laine were on Abbey Road?!
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Only if he killed Brian and i believe he has an alibi that does not rely on Tom Keylock's evidence.
Agree with a previous poster - over reliance on open G, drugs,lifestyle and laziness combined with the fact that most artists have a peak period which they rarely live up to subsequently are probably more likely as factors. Much as i'm a major Beatle fan they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings. Bummer. It happens to the best of 'em.
Enjoy what we got and the little gems that pop up here and there - i count Doom and Gloom in that...
"they were already starting to suck during Pepper. By the time they made Abbey Road they had become Wings."
Great statement.................
I didn't know Linda and Denny Laine were on Abbey Road?!
Yup. Everyone thought that Paul died, but it was actually George who died. Denny was his secret replacement.