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on the face of it, the evidence is clear. just prior to hiring taylor, the stones had recorded "beggar's banquet" and "let it bleed," two of their greatest albums. they were on a roll.
but by the time he left, they had just released "it's only rock-n-roll," one of their worst albums to date.
however, i'm inclined to give taylor some more credit than that. clearly heroin and distractions of being rich and comfortable took some of the edge of their creativity too.
what do you think, is mick taylor the reason the band completely tanked creatively in the mid-70s?
IORR is a decent album, better than any pre-Beggar's album. The 60's had some great singles by the Stones, but some not great albums...very uneven. I think they faded as the 70s turned to the 80s as they were past their prime, Keith's years of drug use, outside lives and all the things that draw friends, bands and other groups apart that happen.
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Plunder My Soul--that's the two Micks working together, quite creatively and with impressive results.
Is Mick's vocals and Taylor's guitar impressive on PMS?
I meant the track as a whole. Mick J has said how he could write against the melodic quality of Mick T's playing, and Plundered is another example of that.
Is it? How?
Anyone with a musical ear can hear similarities in Jagger's melody lines and Taylor's melodic conception during critical moments, songs like "Moonlight Mile" and live versions of YCAGWYW, or Heartbreaker. Taylor and Jagger spent a lot of time together, they must have inspired each other musically. That's the "how". What else do you want to dispute, songwriting again?
I can't hear that on PMS.
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Plunder My Soul--that's the two Micks working together, quite creatively and with impressive results.
Is Mick's vocals and Taylor's guitar impressive on PMS?
I meant the track as a whole. Mick J has said how he could write against the melodic quality of Mick T's playing, and Plundered is another example of that.
Is it? How?
Anyone with a musical ear can hear similarities in Jagger's melody lines and Taylor's melodic conception during critical moments, songs like "Moonlight Mile" and live versions of YCAGWYW, or Heartbreaker. Taylor and Jagger spent a lot of time together, they must have inspired each other musically. That's the "how". What else do you want to dispute, songwriting again?
I can't hear that on PMS.
Neither do I.
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Plunder My Soul--that's the two Micks working together, quite creatively and with impressive results.
Is Mick's vocals and Taylor's guitar impressive on PMS?
I meant the track as a whole. Mick J has said how he could write against the melodic quality of Mick T's playing, and Plundered is another example of that.
Is it? How?
Anyone with a musical ear can hear similarities in Jagger's melody lines and Taylor's melodic conception during critical moments, songs like "Moonlight Mile" and live versions of YCAGWYW, or Heartbreaker. Taylor and Jagger spent a lot of time together, they must have inspired each other musically. That's the "how". What else do you want to dispute, songwriting again?
I can't hear that on PMS.
Neither do I.
Why did you make your previous post, then?
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No Keith's overuse of open-G tuning was.
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That discussion was about PMS. Yeah, I get it now - you didn't reply to that bit
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That discussion was about PMS. Yeah, I get it now - you didn't reply to that bit
I think Taylor and Jagger did a great job. I like Taylor's intro a lot, almost sounds like a slide guitar, but Taylor plays different throughout the song than he would have done 40 years ago.
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But what is relevance, then, if it hasn't got anything to do with popularity or album sales? When push comes to show, remaining among the top 3 acts in the world, surely would classify as relevant?
IMO, what you and I think are creative nadirs could be another man's treasure
I'm not sure how long an album stays in the charts would be the right measurement of relevance...
If it was, I would say they became irrelevant in 1997, when they had a go at the charts with Anybody Seen My Baby. After all, they broke world records with VL and the tour, and they all over MTV with that album. Same thing with the comeback album SW.
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Hmmm... seemingly I am adopting my old bad habit of making OT-going waaayyyy tooooooo looooooooong posts... But you raised a damn good question, Dandie, and I tried to give some kind of sketchy answer to it. All the objections welcome!
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Plunder My Soul--that's the two Micks working together, quite creatively and with impressive results.
Is Mick's vocals and Taylor's guitar impressive on PMS?
I meant the track as a whole. Mick J has said how he could write against the melodic quality of Mick T's playing, and Plundered is another example of that.
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That discussion was about PMS. Yeah, I get it now - you didn't reply to that bit
I think Taylor and Jagger did a great job. I like Taylor's intro a lot, almost sounds like a slide guitar, but Taylor plays different throughout the song than he would have done 40 years ago.
It's more staccato than he would normally play, imo. Not so fluid. Played without a pick?
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That discussion was about PMS. Yeah, I get it now - you didn't reply to that bit
I think Taylor and Jagger did a great job. I like Taylor's intro a lot, almost sounds like a slide guitar, but Taylor plays different throughout the song than he would have done 40 years ago.
It's more staccato than he would normally play, imo. Not so fluid. Played without a pick?
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I think Mick Taylor may also be responsible for global warming.
I overheard someone saying that the other day. What a bast*rd.
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I think Mick Taylor may also be responsible for global warming.
I overheard someone saying that the other day. What a bast*rd.
I'm sure there are those who think it may actually be Ron Wood's fault.
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Rockman
....without Wood the Stones woulda splintered years ago ....
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TravelinMan
What a dumb thread. Most people don't give Taylor any or near enough credit, then some bozo says he's responsible for the creative death of the band? Wow, thanks internet.
Obviously, the Stones "made it", twice really if you consider all the money Klein finagled from them, and then they started over. If anything, money, drugs, success and apathy led to a creative death, which I don't agree with anyway. Times change, audiences change. Mick Jagger is still ultra-creative and has been pushing the boundaries of their music since the beginning.
I would love for them to dig back in all those Jimmy Miller-era unreleased songs and put out a full album. I would LOVE to hear Jagger do Separately and Leather Jacket. How cool!