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Yep, "Plundered" is "Tumbling Dice"'s lost cousin, and me thinks the best thing they have released since TATTOO YOU. But, still, I wouldn't quite compare those two songs in quality, since "Dice" is one of the most perfect recordings they ever have done... The song ("Plundered") has that 'magic' the best Stones cuts have. When it was released; it really made the material they had released for years and decades by then to sound rather cheap, thin and pointless.
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The first time I heard it, at work on my computer with cheap ear buds...
I could tell within that first opening verse that this song was going to be something special. It had a feel that I can't really describe except to say that it sounded soulful and real. Jagger's voice was free of all the affectations he has so often used post-81.
I had stopped expecting the Stones to move me like that ever again. And they did it. I think its up there with the greats and it will get better and better.
I was right with you up to the affectation-part
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What about the "I thought you needed my loving-part"?
But you're right, there are way worse examples.
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71Tele
I think Plundered My Soul should have been a huge hit. The fact that they didn't play it the recent tours and did play the much-inferior (to my taste) Doom and Gloom was disappointing. PMS sounds like the "real" Stones. Doom and Gloom sounds like a Jagger demo.
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I think Plundered My Soul should have been a huge hit. The fact that they didn't play it the recent tours and did play the much-inferior (to my taste) Doom and Gloom was disappointing. PMS sounds like the "real" Stones. Doom and Gloom sounds like a Jagger demo.
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I think Plundered My Soul should have been a huge hit. The fact that they didn't play it the recent tours and did play the much-inferior (to my taste) Doom and Gloom was disappointing. PMS sounds like the "real" Stones. Doom and Gloom sounds like a Jagger demo.
I wonder if it has something to do with Keith not really particpating on the new recording. And it sounds like Mick's playing on rhythm guitar. He's more likely to use a minor 7 chord as the foundation for an entire song than Keith.
Keith is more bluesy, Mick more 'pretty' jazzy chords..like Winter, alot of his piano stuff.
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I think Plundered My Soul should have been a huge hit. The fact that they didn't play it the recent tours and did play the much-inferior (to my taste) Doom and Gloom was disappointing. PMS sounds like the "real" Stones. Doom and Gloom sounds like a Jagger demo.
I wonder if it has something to do with Keith not really particpating on the new recording. And it sounds like Mick's playing on rhythm guitar. He's more likely to use a minor 7 chord as the foundation for an entire song than Keith.
Keith is more bluesy, Mick more 'pretty' jazzy chords..like Winter, alot of his piano stuff.
No, no, it´s Keith. And he would never had any trouble with those wild horses-ish minor chords in open G.
He plays exact the same chords on WH.
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I think Plundered My Soul should have been a huge hit. The fact that they didn't play it the recent tours and did play the much-inferior (to my taste) Doom and Gloom was disappointing. PMS sounds like the "real" Stones. Doom and Gloom sounds like a Jagger demo.
I wonder if it has something to do with Keith not really particpating on the new recording. And it sounds like Mick's playing on rhythm guitar. He's more likely to use a minor 7 chord as the foundation for an entire song than Keith.
Keith is more bluesy, Mick more 'pretty' jazzy chords..like Winter, alot of his piano stuff.
No, no, it´s Keith. And he would never had any trouble with those wild horses-ish minor chords in open G.
He plays exact the same chords on WH.
The WH chords are more minor than minor 7 though...they have a different feel to them. But yeah, I assumed it was Keith...he can do pretty too..(Slipping Away) I was just wondering because the song seems to have gotten left behind. Maybe because it was a redux.. and we were all supposed to actually believe it was an unearthed classic..vocals and all?
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Absolutely, Tele. Although this one probably (don't remember) than WH Keith is playing the same chord formations on PMS, so he wouldn't have problems playing it live.
Speaking of WH. I had a close listen the other day. There are three acoustic guitars, none of them in open tuning. The 12-string that starts the song gradually disappears throughout the track, and I believe Taylor plays that one, as well as the Nashville-tuned acoustic. Keith's acoustic chords there sound standard tuning to me.
This means that the first time Keith played it in open tuning, with those droning b minor chords probably was on stage in 1975.
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Absolutely, Tele. Although this one probably (don't remember) than WH Keith is playing the same chord formations on PMS, so he wouldn't have problems playing it live.
Speaking of WH. I had a close listen the other day. There are three acoustic guitars, none of them in open tuning. The 12-string that starts the song gradually disappears throughout the track, and I believe Taylor plays that one, as well as the Nashville-tuned acoustic. Keith's acoustic chords there sound standard tuning to me.
This means that the first time Keith played it in open tuning, with those droning b minor chords probably was on stage in 1975.
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Absolutely, Tele. Although this one probably (don't remember) than WH Keith is playing the same chord formations on PMS, so he wouldn't have problems playing it live.
Speaking of WH. I had a close listen the other day. There are three acoustic guitars, none of them in open tuning. The 12-string that starts the song gradually disappears throughout the track, and I believe Taylor plays that one, as well as the Nashville-tuned acoustic. Keith's acoustic chords there sound standard tuning to me.
This means that the first time Keith played it in open tuning, with those droning b minor chords probably was on stage in 1975.
Really? I used to thank that then came to the opposite conclusion (because of the ringing "drone" string I mentioned earlier).
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Absolutely, Tele. Although this one probably (don't remember) than WH Keith is playing the same chord formations on PMS, so he wouldn't have problems playing it live.
Speaking of WH. I had a close listen the other day. There are three acoustic guitars, none of them in open tuning. The 12-string that starts the song gradually disappears throughout the track, and I believe Taylor plays that one, as well as the Nashville-tuned acoustic. Keith's acoustic chords there sound standard tuning to me.
This means that the first time Keith played it in open tuning, with those droning b minor chords probably was on stage in 1975.
Really? I used to thank that then came to the opposite conclusion (because of the ringing "drone" string I mentioned earlier).
From what I can tell that ringing chord occurs once or twice in the song when two guitars clash together. I suspect Taylor's nashville tuned guitar doubles with Keith. When we hear Keith in the verses we hear the F# in the b minor chord, something that is impossible when playing the chord we're talking about in open G.
I know we've had this discussion before, but this is what I'm hearing
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He he, isn't it "Can't believe it", Treacle?
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He he, isn't it "Can't believe it", Treacle?
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What if the song lyrics are really a veiled reference to Mick Taylor and his leaving Stones-looking back at it and how Jagger feels about it now? That also could've been part of the inspiration of asking him to add some leads to it. In the song Jagger created an allegory of a failed love affair for the loss of Taylor from the group.
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What if the song lyrics are really a veiled reference to Mick Taylor and his leaving Stones-looking back at it and how Jagger feels about it now? That also could've been part of the inspiration of asking him to add some leads to it. In the song Jagger created an allegory of a failed love affair for the loss of Taylor from the group.