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Irix
Maybe we should also think of Charlie - he turns 73 years next Monday and he has to drumming the whole 2 hours of the concert.

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rbk
Another reason I'm glad to be an American. We see the Stones tours at the beginning before they start lopping off the more interesting stuff from the set.

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rbk
Another reason I'm glad to be an American. We see the Stones tours at the beginning before they start lopping off the more interesting stuff from the set.

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DiamondDog7
Los Angeles 2013 had the BEST setlist!! Take a look:



Get Off Of My Cloud

It’s Only Rock ‘N’ Roll (But I Like It)

Paint It Black

Gimme Shelter

All Down The Line

Faraway Eyes

Sway (By Request – with Mick Taylor)

Doom And Gloom

One More Shot

Can’t You Hear Me Knocking (with Mick Taylor)

Honky Tonk Women

BAND INTRODUCTIONS

You Got The Silver (with Keith on lead vox)

Before They Make Me Run (with Keith on lead vox)

Midnight Rambler (with Mick Taylor)

Miss You

Start Me Up

Tumbling Dice

Brown Sugar

Sympathy For The Devil

ENCORE

You Can’t Always Get What You Want (with the University of Southern California Thornton Chamber Singers)

Jumpin’ Jack Flash

(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction

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Turning To Gold
I think they just get BORED on a long tour, and I think that getting bored musically often has the OPPOSITE effect on the music then what people think it should be - instead of wanting to play more and different songs, once they get jaded and bored then the band just want to get in, play what's comfortable, easy and safe, run the show on autopilot, and then get out of there.

I know in '81 and '82 some songs like "Tops" were dropped, because they just weren't working out right.

If you compare it to a job site, when you are bored or tired at work you don't do an elaborate, amazing job on things....you just do the bare minimum work possible, and then get yourself out of there.

Also in the beginning of a tour they have more to prove, to themselves, to the fans, to the press etc. At the end of the tour, the hype factor is over and they are just getting the repetitive paycheck after paycheck after paycheck.

It would be interesting to chart WHEN in each tour the set list starts shortening. For all we know, it could even be happening based upon the break even point of the tour. After a certain number of early concerts, which are needed to pay for the total stage, lights, crew, trucks, etc., everything else is profit from that point forward.

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Stoneage
Sometimes you wonder on which data Sir Michael makes his set list decisions. He seems to think that the average Stones fan likes to hear the same songs
performed in the same manner over and over again. Like schooled monkeys...

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ptr
I dont want to make this topic very controversial, but there is one tradition which I´m thinking about. Since Steel Wheels / Urban Jungle tour, the setlist at the beginning of the tour are distinctively longer than at the end of the tour.

89 / 90 SW / UJ Tours - 27 songs at the beginning 23 at the end
94 / 95 VL Tour - 27 songs => 23 at the end
97 / 98 BTB Tour - 24 songs => 21 at the end (with exception of Turkish show with 19 songs)
02 / 03 Licks Tour - 23 songs => 19 songs
05/ 06 / 07 BB Tour - 22 songs => 18/19 songs

Current tour is similar case - from 150 mins show with 23/22 songs now it´s 19 songs and a bit over 2 hours. It´s still very good length of the show, but - the beginning of tour was much more "promising". Do you think that its "planned" like that from beginning of the tour (because it looks like that to me because you can even guess that when they get to the European Tour you can take first set minus four songs and that´s what you will get in Europe - its repeated situation)? The issue is described in many topics here - with less songs you have less space to do "obscure" stuff - setlists from beginning of the tour were very very interesting, but now - there are just place for three or four changes, other than that there are songs which "must be played" - I hope that this shortening of the set will end at number 19. What´s your opinion about that?

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ptr
I dont want to make this topic very controversial, but there is one tradition which I´m thinking about. Since Steel Wheels / Urban Jungle tour, the setlist at the beginning of the tour are distinctively longer than at the end of the tour.

89 / 90 SW / UJ Tours - 27 songs at the beginning 23 at the end
94 / 95 VL Tour - 27 songs => 23 at the end
97 / 98 BTB Tour - 24 songs => 21 at the end (with exception of Turkish show with 19 songs)
02 / 03 Licks Tour - 23 songs => 19 songs
05/ 06 / 07 BB Tour - 22 songs => 18/19 songs

Current tour is similar case - from 150 mins show with 23/22 songs now it´s 19 songs and a bit over 2 hours. It´s still very good length of the show, but - the beginning of tour was much more "promising". Do you think that its "planned" like that from beginning of the tour (because it looks like that to me because you can even guess that when they get to the European Tour you can take first set minus four songs and that´s what you will get in Europe - its repeated situation)? The issue is described in many topics here - with less songs you have less space to do "obscure" stuff - setlists from beginning of the tour were very very interesting, but now - there are just place for three or four changes, other than that there are songs which "must be played" - I hope that this shortening of the set will end at number 19. What´s your opinion about that?

Your observation is quite valid. The sad thing about 19 songs is that it certainly reduces the likelihood that rarities/obscure songs will get played. I do feel fortunate that at least I got to see them mix things up for the Licks tour.

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DiamondDog7

The 'warhorses' are easy for them and those songs are major crowdpleasers. Especially for the 'new' fans and festival lovers. This tour isn't really for the real die hard fans over here. Quite honestly, this whole tour isn't about pleasing the real fans, but pleasing the big crowd!(

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Palace Revolution 2000
Their setlists are really not THAT lame. It is just that dreaded second half. Pafter introductions...