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His Majesty
The Rolling Stones Gear book helps calrify matters with regards to the supposed photos of the stones debut at the Marquee club. Always a bit dubious that they are from that debut gig imo.
Brian's Harmony Stratotone guitar was bought in October 1962, this obviously means the July 1962 photos are not from July 1962 at all as Brian is shown playing his Harmony Stratotone.
In those supposed debut gig photos Keith is shown playing his Gallotone Valencia. Keith bought his Harmony Meteor guitar on or after 25th January 1963.
Another interesting addition is that a blonde Vox AC30 is shown.
My conclusion is that due to the combination of the guitars in use in those photos it is most likley that the photos date from post October 1962 and before 25th January 1963. The use of the blonde Vox AC30 suggests it may date from when Bill first started playing with them so circa 14th December 1962.
Going by Bill's Stone Alone book gig list, they played the Marquee on 10th, 17th and 24th January 1963.
So I think any of those 3 Marquee dates is when those supposed debut gig photos come from.
If we ignore the blonde Vox AC30 amp then the earliest those photos could date from is their appearance at Marquee in October 1962.
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His Majesty
Cool, so long as the info in Rolling Stones Gear is right, the main point is that the "debut gig" photos date from circa October 1962 onwards not from 12th July 1962.
It's of course possible that Keith kept using his Gallotone Valencia as a back up even after he bought his Harmony Meteror in January 1963 so an end date to when the photos could be from is still some what open ended.
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VideoJames
I believe they may be Philip Townsend's photo's and he hooked up with the Stones I believe no earlier then 1963.
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Deltics
Today seems a good day to bump this just to narrow the date down a bit.
Charlie first played with the Stones on January 12, 1963 at the Ealing club after which they only played the Marquee on three occasions, January 17, 24 and 31.
They never played there again until 1971 by which time it had long moved from Oxford Street to Wardour Street.
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Deltics
Today seems a good day to bump this just to narrow the date down a bit.
Charlie first played with the Stones on January 12, 1963 at the Ealing club after which they only played the Marquee on three occasions, January 17, 24 and 31.
They never played there again until 1971 by which time it had long moved from Oxford Street to Wardour Street.
It's not possible that Charlie sat in during their time without a regular drummer?
Has that ever been mentioned by the stones?
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CaptainCorella
1963
Checkout the amps.
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Deltics
If he did it doesn't seem to have been documented.
All the usual sources give January 12 as his first date with the Stones.
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Deltics
If he did it doesn't seem to have been documented.
All the usual sources give January 12 as his first date with the Stones.
I kind of find it odd that he wouldn't have played with them.
Tight timeline, easy for memories to forget and muddle things, ie like the whole memory of coming up with the name in Edith Grove.
A fascinating time.
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CaptainCorella
1963
Checkout the amps.
Harmony H306 and a Vox AC30... Possibly Bills.
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CaptainCorella
On the discussion of Charlie possibly having played (jammed?) with them prior to Jan 12th 1963, I'm reminded of The Beatles parallel.
It's well recorded that Ringo did play with The Beatles before the summer of 1962 - at which point Pete Best was sacked and Ringo invited in.
This in many ways does beg the question of how to find out how/why The Stones were so keen to get hold of Charlie. How did they know, other than by having him sit in, if in fact he'd be 'right' for the spot?