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He's totally aware of it.

Have we ever heard him say bad things about John Hooker, Muddy Waters or Johnnie Johnson?

But how harmful are his quotes, really?

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He's totally aware of it.

Have we ever heard him say bad things about John Hooker, Muddy Waters or Johnnie Johnson?

But how harmful are his quotes, really?

Yes.

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He's totally aware of it.

Have we ever heard him say bad things about John Hooker, Muddy Waters or Johnnie Johnson?

But how harmful are his quotes, really?

Yes.

Other than laughing about how drunk Hooker was in 89, publicly?

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...hard ta find Alexis Korner being interviwed usually only get
glimpses of him in blues docos etc but here's one from around 1970 ...
Check da clothes ..scarves trinkets ..mannerisms etc ...

You have nailed it. Listening to him talking with your eyes shut, it could be Keith. Then add the mannerisms. Keith's accent has always puzzled me given his insistence (adopted by biographers) of a bog standard working class background. His accent is very much not an English working class one of that time and hasn't been at any point since he started giving interviews (unlike say, Charlie and Bill). He has obviously cultivated an upper middle class accent at some early stage (which goes totally against his image)- but maybe Korner was the unconscious image maker.

Does Charlie have a working class accent?

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I think the main thing about Keith is that when he became an incorrigible drunk around 1980, he developed (or revealed) a MASSIVE ego. He likes to give Jagger down the road about ego and it's utterly hypocritical of him to call ANYBODY else an egotist. From all the interviews we've seen and read since he crawled into a bottle, he has an ego and a sense of self-importance that DWARFS Jagger's. I disagree about his "maturing." One read-through of 'Life" is all the evidence you need to see that the man hasn't matured a lick since the Stones hit it big in 1964.He's a 70-year-old adolescent and I don't find it attractive. The junked-out Keith was cool, as was the Big Four era Keith before that. He was the strong silent type. Almost humble.That guy died a long time ago.It's not cool to run down your band mates in print. It's not cool to play up your role as the creative engine in the Stones when we've learned just in the past few years that he was hardly that at all. It's not cool to rip off tens of thousands of paying customers when he was too f**ked up to play well. I love the man for the great music he made consistently in the golden era, but the guy who wrote 'Life' is too often just a plain old jerk. Some of you will think I'm being too hard on him, but he's been so hard on Mick and Brian (among others) for so long, that he invites a big taste of his own medicine.

Er...based on my observations I come to roughly the same conclusions
But a) you still can have a good laugh with him and b) I think the last 12 months or so he changed a bit (less bottles I guess) from not cool into a little more acceptable.

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He's totally aware of it.

Have we ever heard him say bad things about John Hooker, Muddy Waters or Johnnie Johnson?

But how harmful are his quotes, really?

Yes.

Other than laughing about how drunk Hooker was in 89, publicly?

The way he told this untrue story "Muddy Waters was painting the ceiling at Chess Studios." It never happened! But really the way he told it was actually an insult. He should get an Oscar for acting this outrage for something that never happened; as if Muddy needed protection or something . Muddy was a man who would do it with a smile on his face because he was a kind person ready to help people. He probably would laugh about it and not even feel insulted but it's such a stupid story. I'm not sure in what year KR started telling this bs (I thought in the eighties?) but I will ask his son Mud if Muddy ever heard about it and if he did what he thought about that.
I know Marshall Chess, Norman Dayron (Chess Producer) & Buddy Guy stated it's a made up story by KR...

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Thanks providing this link. What Ahmet E. says there backs up Keith's story by showing that it was at least in a theory possible. That contradicts the criticism which says that no way Muddy would do such a thing.

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If you'll notice, stage-wise, he became more of a forceful presence on stage beginning with Hyde Park, when for the first time the spotlight became him and Mick, rather than in previous years when all the attention went to Mick and Brian. With Brian out of the picture and Mick Taylor standing stock still, Keith was free to fill that void.

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I'm not just talking about the clothes, even though that is a BIG part of it, but also Keith's way of talking, ending every other sentence with ''baby'' or ''girl'', calling people ''cats'' etc., that's not very English to me. And not very Connecticut, either (right?)

I think "cats" is English sixties slang. All this "baby-talk" is basically very stupid but it has always been a part of rock and pop lyrics.

Cats is old american jazz player-slang, from what I understand. ..

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There will be a movie...

A movie?
You mean a very long commercial...

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If you'll notice, stage-wise, he became more of a forceful presence on stage beginning with Hyde Park, when for the first time the spotlight became him and Mick, rather than in previous years when all the attention went to Mick and Brian. With Brian out of the picture and Mick Taylor standing stock still, Keith was free to fill that void.

Good observation. Although Keith wasn't exactly stone faced as Bill Wyman prior to Brain's death the focus definitely became much sharper.

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I think the main thing about Keith is that when he became an incorrigible drunk around 1980, he developed (or revealed) a MASSIVE ego. He likes to give Jagger down the road about ego and it's utterly hypocritical of him to call ANYBODY else an egotist. From all the interviews we've seen and read since he crawled into a bottle, he has an ego and a sense of self-importance that DWARFS Jagger's. I disagree about his "maturing." One read-through of 'Life" is all the evidence you need to see that the man hasn't matured a lick since the Stones hit it big in 1964.He's a 70-year-old adolescent and I don't find it attractive. The junked-out Keith was cool, as was the Big Four era Keith before that. He was the strong silent type. Almost humble.That guy died a long time ago.It's not cool to run down your band mates in print. It's not cool to play up your role as the creative engine in the Stones when we've learned just in the past few years that he was hardly that at all. It's not cool to rip off tens of thousands of paying customers when he was too f**ked up to play well. I love the man for the great music he made consistently in the golden era, but the guy who wrote 'Life' is too often just a plain old jerk. Some of you will think I'm being too hard on him, but he's been so hard on Mick and Brian (among others) for so long, that he invites a big taste of his own medicine.

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I'm not just talking about the clothes, even though that is a BIG part of it, but also Keith's way of talking, ending every other sentence with ''baby'' or ''girl'', calling people ''cats'' etc., that's not very English to me. And not very Connecticut, either (right?)

I think "cats" is English sixties slang. All this "baby-talk" is basically very stupid but it has always been a part of rock and pop lyrics.

Cats is old american jazz player-slang, from what I understand. ..

Exactly DandelionPowderman! Terms like those pre-date the sixties by an easy 30 years. The big band era or Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington and the like had a vernacular laced with words and phrases of that sort.

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I think the main thing about Keith is that when he became an incorrigible drunk around 1980, he developed (or revealed) a MASSIVE ego. He likes to give Jagger down the road about ego and it's utterly hypocritical of him to call ANYBODY else an egotist. From all the interviews we've seen and read since he crawled into a bottle, he has an ego and a sense of self-importance that DWARFS Jagger's. I disagree about his "maturing." One read-through of 'Life" is all the evidence you need to see that the man hasn't matured a lick since the Stones hit it big in 1964.He's a 70-year-old adolescent and I don't find it attractive. The junked-out Keith was cool, as was the Big Four era Keith before that. He was the strong silent type. Almost humble.That guy died a long time ago.It's not cool to run down your band mates in print. It's not cool to play up your role as the creative engine in the Stones when we've learned just in the past few years that he was hardly that at all. It's not cool to rip off tens of thousands of paying customers when he was too f**ked up to play well. I love the man for the great music he made consistently in the golden era, but the guy who wrote 'Life' is too often just a plain old jerk. Some of you will think I'm being too hard on him, but he's been so hard on Mick and Brian (among others) for so long, that he invites a big taste of his own medicine.

Man, that's a pretty scathing assessment! Then again, the operative word in the subject line is "IMAGE".

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I think the main thing about Keith is that when he became an incorrigible drunk around 1980, he developed (or revealed) a MASSIVE ego. He likes to give Jagger down the road about ego and it's utterly hypocritical of him to call ANYBODY else an egotist. From all the interviews we've seen and read since he crawled into a bottle, he has an ego and a sense of self-importance that DWARFS Jagger's. I disagree about his "maturing." One read-through of 'Life" is all the evidence you need to see that the man hasn't matured a lick since the Stones hit it big in 1964.He's a 70-year-old adolescent and I don't find it attractive. The junked-out Keith was cool, as was the Big Four era Keith before that. He was the strong silent type. Almost humble.That guy died a long time ago.It's not cool to run down your band mates in print. It's not cool to play up your role as the creative engine in the Stones when we've learned just in the past few years that he was hardly that at all. It's not cool to rip off tens of thousands of paying customers when he was too f**ked up to play well. I love the man for the great music he made consistently in the golden era, but the guy who wrote 'Life' is too often just a plain old jerk. Some of you will think I'm being too hard on him, but he's been so hard on Mick and Brian (among others) for so long, that he invites a big taste of his own medicine.

Man, that's a pretty scathing assessment! Then again, the operative word in the subject line is "IMAGE".