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It seems iminently more pressing that Keith has NEVER come close to playing the intro to Can't You Hear Me Knocking properly live...scarf or no scarf...
Now we are talking... That has always bothered me with the live versions of the song, whereas @#$%& up the "Start Me Up" intro occasionally is just refreshing and fun. But the original "Can't You Hear Me Knocking?" intro is a total killer, and not just its wonderful sound but the way Keith hits it. Pure, aggressive, dirty bite. The live versions are just so teethless and lame, distant approximations of it - and this goes through the song as far as Keith's riffing is concerned. Sounds like Keith doesn't even try to play it properly. For that reason - when the biggest gun is not interested - the whole song doesn't work until the jam part.
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See, someone who gets it. Imminently more pressing then warhorse slaughter...
Mick Jagger's harmonica brings a neat element to the jam portion as well...but Keith has no interest in relearning that incredible and innovative riff...hell he could learn it on YouTube if Chuck can't help him...
He won't ever get it right unless he puts on more distortion, like on the studio version.
The Live Licks version is ok, though.
They're all 'ok' but only because they are acknowledging a long lost artifact of Stones civilization...but its a crime against all Stone-manity for that song to be referred to as 'ok'...
I've also never understood why he plays the intro so clean on-stage, it needs that crunch and distortion to make it the gut punch it is on SF.
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to me it looks like his scarf gets caught in the strings>>>>> thus the horrible sound.
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And he did the same thing in Abu Dhabi...
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And he did the same thing in Abu Dhabi...
Are you SERIOUS ?? He HAS to be doing it on purpose in that case. Either that, or the riffmaster needs to adjourn his basemement room (preferably without the needle & a spoon) and put in a bit of practice time. It's just NOT possible to bollocks that intro up, an imbecile could play that. He must be taking the p**S and doing it deliberately to annoy Brenda ............ !
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And he did the same thing in Abu Dhabi...
Are you SERIOUS ?? He HAS to be doing it on purpose in that case. Either that, or the riffmaster needs to adjourn to his basemement room (preferably without the needle & a spoon) and put in a bit of practice time. It's just NOT possible to bollocks that intro up, an imbecile could play that. He must be taking the p**S and doing it deliberately to annoy Brenda ............ !
He didn't do it in Abu Dhabi, Pauly.
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He also didn't do it at the show I saw in Boston on June 14 or in the clip below from the 12th. Nor does it seem to have occurred at Glastonbury, as everyone would have commented. It seems to have been an anomaly unique to the Hyde Park shows, as that's when everyone noticed.
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Either that or he's mimicking a stubborn ignition before really starting Start Me Up. Ever turn the key in the ignition of a car but the engine won't turn over the first couple of tries, then finally it starts up on the third go? There's probably some conceptual art going on there that's cryptic and hard to decipher, like those times he would attach fishing tackle and the like to his hair. I'm sure there's a reason for it at some level.
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No he didn't! There is nothing wrong with the AD intro
This is the "real" deal (at 1:48):
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Ok I got it. The song is in open G. The first chord is a bared 5th fret C. The second chord is an F. He doesn't come down on the 2 and 4 (6th and 8th fret)
He comes down on the 3rd and 5th string instead. He's either thinking open E tunning. That's the was you play a I to IV pattern. Or just maybe his brain is fried and he just can't remember.
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The strangest thing, but he has his hand all ready to play before the open chords before he begins, but when he comes to actually starting he seems to do the the right shape for the 2nd chord, but frets that shape on the wrong strings.
He's played that chord shape millions of times, it's the full on open G cliche chord, very odd.
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Maybe the Riffmaster needs to put his specs on these days, so as to make sure he doesn't hit strings 3 & 5 when he's actually intending to hit 2 & 4 !!
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Ok. He gets it all wrong. Why does it sound so right on Sweet Summer Sun I wonder?
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Ok I got it. The song is in open G. The first chord is a bared 5th fret C. The second chord is an F. He doesn't come down on the 2 and 4 (6th and 8th fret)
He comes down on the 3rd and 5th string instead. He's either thinking open E tunning. That's the was you play a I to IV pattern. Or just maybe his brain is fried and he just can't remember.
You have absolutely got it, I've just tuned to open-g and tried it, and that is exactly the sound we all heard at Hyde Park. Mystery solved, the silly Riffmaster ..... fancy gettin' your open-g and open-e muddled up !!!
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was it ever confirmed that keith was doing this on purpose? there's no way he blew it by accident....
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And he did the same thing in Abu Dhabi...
Are you SERIOUS ?? He HAS to be doing it on purpose in that case. Either that, or the riffmaster needs to adjourn his basemement room (preferably without the needle & a spoon) and put in a bit of practice time. It's just NOT possible to bollocks that intro up, an imbecile could play that. He must be taking the p**S and doing it deliberately to annoy Brenda ............ !
He didn't do it in Abu Dhabi, Pauly.
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Arthritis can't possibly make it harder to play the SMU-riff than the solos he plays on IORR flawlessly every night
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Arthritis can't possibly make it harder to play the SMU-riff than the solos he plays on IORR flawlessly every night
Aren't you a guitarist?
Please don't tell me you don't hear his playing is diminished at least 80% over the last 25 years? If he manages a 50% approximation of the intro everyone's happy then they carry him for the rest of the song.
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And he did the same thing in Abu Dhabi...
Are you SERIOUS ?? He HAS to be doing it on purpose in that case. Either that, or the riffmaster needs to adjourn his basemement room (preferably without the needle & a spoon) and put in a bit of practice time. It's just NOT possible to bollocks that intro up, an imbecile could play that. He must be taking the p**S and doing it deliberately to annoy Brenda ............ !
He didn't do it in Abu Dhabi, Pauly.
He didn't play the intro the same way as in Hyde Park In Abu Dhabi, but the Abu Dhabi intro is not correct either - which still is embarrassing.
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Arthritis can't possibly make it harder to play the SMU-riff than the solos he plays on IORR flawlessly every night
Aren't you a guitarist?
Please don't tell me you don't hear his playing is diminished at least 80% over the last 25 years? If he manages a 50% approximation of the intro everyone's happy then they carry him for the rest of the song.
Of course it has diminished.
My point was that he plays way more difficult stuff effortlessly in other songs in the set - hence it probably hasn't got anything to do with his skills - but more like he needs to warm up his muscles/needs rest etc.
One More Shot has the same opening chords. SFM as well. I haven't heard him fvck up these intros...
And on this tour the BS-intros have been close to perfection