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I read somewhere that Mick Taylor said something to the effect that he wrote all the ballads when he was in the Stones. I presume this is based on his collaborations with Jagger on songs like Moonlight Mile, Time Waits for No One and Shine a Light where Keith was barely present at the session but still got a songwriting credit. I was interested to see if there was any truth to this or it was just Taylor grumbling?

By the way: nice threads about MT and SF & EOMS!

Mick T did not claim he wrote all the ballads.

He is obviously misquoted on the Time Is On Our Side website.
According to the website he would have said: 'And mostly the ballads were usually written by me', but those are not Mick T's words.

Timeisonourside quoted him from a newspaper interview. The exact same words.

That interview was weird and seemed bogus, though.

He probably never said such a thing.

I think the 'quote' was published in "Guitar World" in March 2012.
In any case, they obviously put their own spin on something that was discussed during the interview.

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Yep, it was Guitar World - thanks!

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I read somewhere that Mick Taylor said something to the effect that he wrote all the ballads when he was in the Stones. I presume this is based on his collaborations with Jagger on songs like Moonlight Mile, Time Waits for No One and Shine a Light where Keith was barely present at the session but still got a songwriting credit. I was interested to see if there was any truth to this or it was just Taylor grumbling?

By the way: nice threads about MT and SF & EOMS!

Thanks mate. We just need a few more contributions to the SF thread, the EOMS one has got all the interest!

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RE Moonlight Mile it's plausible that either :

- he added a few licks to an already-finished Jagger composition
- or he was one day noodling on an acoustic guitar and Jagger told him "hey this sounds cool". MJ kept the random notes in his head and built the whole song around them, alone.

In either case MT now feels entitled to say he wrote MM with Jag. ><

MM was based on a Richard's demo called "Japanese Thing" I believe so the idea did originate with Keith. It just depends how much MT added with Jagger to this acoustic idea.

We have discussed this extensively a couple of weeks before.
As for the quote: if it's really said by Taylor he must have been joking, as he mostly does when being interviewed.

Can you give me the link to that thread, I can't find it?

We still don't have a source for the quote, other than Ian Macpherson's website. Was it Guitar World? Which issue?

[www.guitarworld.com]

His guitar playing, especially on ' Wild Horses ' should have given him the rights to that song at least...

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His guitar playing, especially on ' Wild Horses ' should have given him the rights to that song at least...

The few "plinks" with Nashville tuning? I don't think that was the basis for the song, as beautifully as that guitar fits in

You know that the two other guitars are played by Keith, right?

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RE Moonlight Mile it's plausible that either :

- he added a few licks to an already-finished Jagger composition
- or he was one day noodling on an acoustic guitar and Jagger told him "hey this sounds cool". MJ kept the random notes in his head and built the whole song around them, alone.

In either case MT now feels entitled to say he wrote MM with Jag. ><

MM was based on a Richard's demo called "Japanese Thing" I believe so the idea did originate with Keith. It just depends how much MT added with Jagger to this acoustic idea.

We have discussed this extensively a couple of weeks before.
As for the quote: if it's really said by Taylor he must have been joking, as he mostly does when being interviewed.

Can you give me the link to that thread, I can't find it?

Here it is, in Rene's "Track Talk" of "Moonlight Mile":[www.iorr.org]

Enjoy!

(The thread is a couple of years old, but the recent one Kleermakers refers to starts in page 4 or something, and continues and continues...)

- Doxa



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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]



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<Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012>

Yep, the post above mine, with link to the interview.

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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]

No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

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No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

Yeah, that sounds reasonable interpretation. Taking that he just a little earlier was talking about "co-writing" or "at least I wrote the riff the string part is based on" in regards to one of their best known ballads of those days, "Moonlight Mile".

Probably the expression "to write" in the context of making and recording music is a bit ambigious in the first place; it really has not such a strict or defined meaning people sometimes seem to suggest. But having that said, Taylor could have chosen his words a bit more carefully...

- Doxa



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So Mick Taylor wrote "Angie" about Anita Pallenberg? I think not.

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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]

No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

Your interpretation is better on the vagueness.....
This is MT's way of saying he is owed. Being he is a shy guy and all while he was with the Stones. And this carries over to today

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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]

No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

Your interpretation is better on the vagueness.....
This is MT's way of saying he is owed. Being he is a shy guy and all while he was with the Stones. And this carries over to today

Could be, but we don't know if it was the case here.

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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]

No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

Your interpretation is better on the vagueness.....
This is MT's way of saying he is owed. Being he is a shy guy and all while he was with the Stones. And this carries over to today

Could be, but we don't know if it was the case here.

If I am 63 years old then retirement money is going to be on my mind. And if not that then in the back of my mind. So yes, Mick Taylor is staking his claim to what the Glimmers owe him. Or as the rappers put it these days, "Its about gettin' paid"

Or as Matthew Fisher sued and won after 38 years without royalties and is now "gettin paid" on "Whiter Shade of Pale"
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MT is speaking loosely here. However this is more proof MT feels he is owed royalties and credits and he is correct.

Your excerpt being from Guitar World in 2012 [www.guitarworld.com]

No, it isn't. It is more about Taylor's vagueness about the term writing, I think.

He could have meant "Usually, I was more involved in shaping most of the ballads in the studio", for instance...

Your interpretation is better on the vagueness.....
This is MT's way of saying he is owed. Being he is a shy guy and all while he was with the Stones. And this carries over to today

Could be, but we don't know if it was the case here.

If I am 63 years old then retirement money is going to be on my mind. And if not that then in the back of my mind. So yes, Mick Taylor is staking his claim to what the Glimmers owe him. Or as the rappers put it these days, "Its about gettin' paid"

Or as Matthew Fisher sued and won after 38 years without royalties and is now "gettin paid" on "Whiter Shade of Pale"
[news.bbc.co.uk]

Yep, that's what he said... or not...

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Yep, that's what he said... or not...

As in, you don't know anything but catch you on another thread and you do. As in, you are incapable of speculating but then you are. But just not here.

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Yep, that's what he said... or not...

As in, you don't know anything but catch you on another thread and you do. As in, you are incapable of speculating but then you are. But just not here.

Speculate all you want, mate. We don't know for certain that he was staking his claims in this particular interview, though.

Stating he was, like it was a fact, can be a bit mis-leading, that's all I'm saying.

Speculation is fun... but I wish the interviewer would have had a bit more eye (or balls), and payed more attention to that odd sentence... "What? Are you serious, man? What do you mean - you wrote all those angies, shinealights, wildhorses, etc,?"

But probably the occasion of that utterance was something like Taylor smiling, making an eye wink or something (or alternatively, looking bitter and furious, changing a tone)... but unfortunately nothing like that can be read of the interview (a typical guitar magazine stuff - dead serious and one-track minded).

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DP---

When you speak so expansively "I usually wrote all the ballads" and you are 63 years old then you say this from artistic pride and in MT's case, because he feels he is owed. Money. For his later years.

IF he said it that way, something people with more knowledge than me doubt as well...

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His guitar playing, especially on ' Wild Horses ' should have given him the rights to that song at least...

The few "plinks" with Nashville tuning? I don't think that was the basis for the song, as beautifully as that guitar fits in

You know that the two other guitars are played by Keith, right?

Whatt!! Not even with a Nashville Tuning???

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RE Moonlight Mile it's plausible that either :

- he added a few licks to an already-finished Jagger composition
- or he was one day noodling on an acoustic guitar and Jagger told him "hey this sounds cool". MJ kept the random notes in his head and built the whole song around them, alone.

In either case MT now feels entitled to say he wrote MM with Jag. ><

MM was based on a Richard's demo called "Japanese Thing" I believe so the idea did originate with Keith. It just depends how much MT added with Jagger to this acoustic idea.

We have discussed this extensively a couple of weeks before.
As for the quote: if it's really said by Taylor he must have been joking, as he mostly does when being interviewed.

Can you give me the link to that thread, I can't find it?

Here it is, in Rene's "Track Talk" of "Moonlight Mile":[www.iorr.org]

Enjoy!

(The thread is a couple of years old, but the recent one Kleermakers refers to starts in page 4 or something, and continues and continues...)

- Doxa

Great thanks for this!