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Powerage
The crowd is not missing the Stones at all here...
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DandelionPowderman
The crowd is not missing AC/DC here...
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DandelionPowderman
The crowd is not missing AC/DC here...
But seriously I cannot be the only fan who's fed up with these numbers sounding the same and sung by a Jagger who doesnt care anymore? Im not bashing you, if you like it fine, but I just dont hear it.
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I was there ALL DAY. It was fabulous. They kept the music coming with a minimum of interruption... Sam Roberts, Kathleen Edwards, faux Blues Brothers, The Guess Who, Rush, AC/DC (the latter two had an hour each) and then.... nothing. The Stones kept a half million people waiting for over an hour in the dark. When they finally appeared they turned in a lackluster, rote performance highlighted by Justin Timberlake. It was the one, and only, Stones show wherein I left early.
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I was there ALL DAY. It was fabulous. They kept the music coming with a minimum of interruption... Sam Roberts, Kathleen Edwards, faux Blues Brothers, The Guess Who, Rush, AC/DC (the latter two had an hour each) and then.... nothing. The Stones kept a half million people waiting for over an hour in the dark. When they finally appeared they turned in a lackluster, rote performance highlighted by Justin Timberlake. It was the one, and only, Stones show wherein I left early.
Likewise there all day. They kept the pace rolling band-to-band, with all sorts of genres. I am not an AC/DC fan, but AC/DC, Rush and the Guess Who ALL blew the Stones off the stage. Even the Isley Brothers had more energy the the Stones. It was my son's first Stone's show and he (understandably) left with the impression: 'these are a bunch of tired old men, who can no longer rock, and can't keep up'.
We started walking out with a couple of songs to go.
Also odd with that show: big festival sound can be kind of 'iffy'. The sound at that show was stunning for the opening acts. From 300 meters, Blue Rodeo sounded like they were playing in my living room, as did the rest.....till the Stones got on. They took an hour to set up, yet somehow sounded muddy and flat, and the great guitars we heard all day, were less audible.
It was an embarrassingly bad performance, and shitty of them to go diva and make the crowd wait after a long day in the sun.
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Powerage
The crowd is not missing the Stones at all here...
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Powerage
The crowd is not missing the Stones at all here...
See this is what makes me made... Why can't the Stones be MIXED like that. Listen to that guitar tone, then compare to Keith and Ronnie on either of the other clips... This is the trend though. Bass and drums, loud and powerful. Guitars thing and low. Vocals up front. The Stones are a guitar band as much as AC/DC... Why can't their sound techs (both broadcast and FOH) get it right......
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Powerage
The crowd is not missing the Stones at all here...
See this is what makes me made... Why can't the Stones be MIXED like that. Listen to that guitar tone, then compare to Keith and Ronnie on either of the other clips... This is the trend though. Bass and drums, loud and powerful. Guitars thing and low. Vocals up front. The Stones are a guitar band as much as AC/DC... Why can't their sound techs (both broadcast and FOH) get it right......
My personal conclusion...
The Stones sound techs are employed and paid by the Rolling Stones and what they are allowed to make the band sound like is what Mick Jagger wants the band to sound like. While I will also place some of the blame at the feet of Charlie, Keith & Ronnie for not forcing Jagger to do what's needed for The Stones as opposed to what Jagger wants to deliver to the masses, I long ago have accepted the fact, as I'm sure Keith, Ronnie & Charlie have, that the Stones will furthermore exist as Mick wants them to. Keith, Ronnie, Charlie & fans who know the difference can take it or leave it but I don't think anyone other than Mick is "calling the shots" on ANY Stones decisions unless Jagger lets them and agrees with them.
Note: Although I may not agree with some of Mick's decisions, I do understand that without this working arrangement, (assuming it even exists) the Rolling Stones would not exist today in any format.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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crholmstrom
Didn't the Flaming Lips play, too?
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Powerage
The crowd is not missing the Stones at all here...
See this is what makes me made... Why can't the Stones be MIXED like that. Listen to that guitar tone, then compare to Keith and Ronnie on either of the other clips... This is the trend though. Bass and drums, loud and powerful. Guitars thing and low. Vocals up front. The Stones are a guitar band as much as AC/DC... Why can't their sound techs (both broadcast and FOH) get it right......
My personal conclusion...
The Stones sound techs are employed and paid by the Rolling Stones and what they are allowed to make the band sound like is what Mick Jagger wants the band to sound like. While I will also place some of the blame at the feet of Charlie, Keith & Ronnie for not forcing Jagger to do what's needed for The Stones as opposed to what Jagger wants to deliver to the masses, I long ago have accepted the fact, as I'm sure Keith, Ronnie & Charlie have, that the Stones will furthermore exist as Mick wants them to. Keith, Ronnie, Charlie & fans who know the difference can take it or leave it but I don't think anyone other than Mick is "calling the shots" on ANY Stones decisions unless Jagger lets them and agrees with them.
Note: Although I may not agree with some of Mick's decisions, I do understand that without this working arrangement, (assuming it even exists) the Rolling Stones would not exist today in any format.
Peace,
Mr DJA
Exactly, flacvinyl, and exactly right also, mr dja. It's part of the safety net structure that's been in place since...well, '89, really. The PA mixes are ultimately decisions by the band and I think it's probably misdirected to blame the PA guys for how the shows get mixed live. The SARS show is where it finally became clear to me that it wasn't the PA system, but the choices of the band in how they project themselves. AC/DC were mixed like the Stones used to be mixed back when they were a true guitar band. It has frustrated me for years, but I think it's part of ensuring that 95% of the crowd leaves "satisfied" if not blown away, and decreases the risk of train wrecks actually being noticed, etc. All part of the safety nets.
Hate to throw this word out there because it's been talked about to death, but to me, tours starting with SW are not "Vegas Era" but "Safety Net Era." That seems to describe it for me. Perhaps there are few times where they are actually given enough rope in a live setting where could get into enough trouble to actually hang themselves, but there is a support network there that can come running to the rescue pretty quickly. I'd like to see a complete show of trainwreck meltdowns if the guitars were f'in loud. I don't need polish; just give it to me straight. If Keith's gonna hit bum notes, I want them to be heard for miles at 120db! But when you charge $$$, I can see why Mick wants to ensure that the ambulances are always nearby and ready to roll.
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Phil Rudd drumer reaction after the show.
The Stones gave us an hour – that’s a dangerous thing to do. You don’t give us an hour before you go on, mate [...] The whole band just nailed it. We got into the van offstage and went, “Yeah, f**king follow that!” - Phil Rudd - Drum Magazine - 2005
IMO, AC/DC stole the show, no doubt about that.
[jam.canoe.ca]
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I seem to remember an hour and a half for the Stones. I loved it - worth the price ($20 which included a T-shirt) and a long hot day's wait. Even Timberlake (gave us time to go and leak).Regardless,the crowd of allsorts seemed to understand AC/DC's bombastic stylings better. Sones fans didn't leave early and were rewarded with a very good (stadium) show. $20 bucks... those were the days.