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Taylor starts playing slide at the 17 second mark on Rocks off and can be heard at various parts of the song, like doing a walk down into the chorus.

Good grief. Just attentively listened to that. I always thought it was a mess of piano. But you're right, it's a little descending thing with almost no tone to it buried in the mix!

These things (+ the thing round 0:17 in Rocks Off) just weren't audible prior to the Universal re-masters.

I have the Virgin. I don't have the UMe EXILE.

I think it's more about learning about something... when I got TATTOO YOU on CD I had heard someone say something about the cowbell in Start Me Up.

Cowbell? What cowbell?

I listened to the CD and there it was. So I played the vinyl album and... there it was. It just wasn't as noticeable - but I had never noticed it.

So upon reading about that descending guitar line Taylor does in Rocks Off, I had never paid attention to it enough to specifically listen to it... until today. And I heard it. And it's not the UMe brickwalled version.

Check out Torn & Frayed at like 2:22 to 2:24. I'm listening in headphones and it is very faint towards the left side, but that same line in the outro is being played, in addition to Richards' guitar. Then listen to Torn & Frayed in Vancouver. Same licks.

I stand by Taylor playing electric guitar on that song. I've never heard Richards do anything like that outro.

*Actually you can hear the licks in at least the last two choruses.



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Check out Torn & Frayed at like 2:22 to 2:24. I'm listening in headphones and it is very faint towards the left side, but that same line in the outro is being played, in addition to Richards' guitar. Then listen to Torn & Frayed in Vancouver. Same licks.

I stand by Taylor playing electric guitar on that song. I've never heard Richards do anything like that outro.

*Actually you can hear the licks in at least the last two choruses.

Those are very simple licks, and could have been played by anyone - but there is something familiar about that vibrato

I must admit I've never heard those licks before. Buried pretty deep underneath Keith's guitar. Sounds like something bleeding from an earlier take, before Al recorded his?

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Check out Torn & Frayed at like 2:22 to 2:24. I'm listening in headphones and it is very faint towards the left side, but that same line in the outro is being played, in addition to Richards' guitar. Then listen to Torn & Frayed in Vancouver. Same licks.

I stand by Taylor playing electric guitar on that song. I've never heard Richards do anything like that outro.

*Actually you can hear the licks in at least the last two choruses.

Those are very simple licks, and could have been played by anyone - but there is something familiar about that vibrato

I must admit I've never heard those licks before. Buried pretty deep underneath Keith's guitar. Sounds like something bleeding from an earlier take, before Al recorded his?

The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

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Check out Torn & Frayed at like 2:22 to 2:24. I'm listening in headphones and it is very faint towards the left side, but that same line in the outro is being played, in addition to Richards' guitar. Then listen to Torn & Frayed in Vancouver. Same licks.

I stand by Taylor playing electric guitar on that song. I've never heard Richards do anything like that outro.

*Actually you can hear the licks in at least the last two choruses.

Those are very simple licks, and could have been played by anyone - but there is something familiar about that vibrato

I must admit I've never heard those licks before. Buried pretty deep underneath Keith's guitar. Sounds like something bleeding from an earlier take, before Al recorded his?

The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

Mathijs

That's interesting. I thought I heard a couple of notes in there underneath Keith's guitar..

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Taylor starts playing slide at the 17 second mark on Rocks off and can be heard at various parts of the song, like doing a walk down into the chorus.

Good grief. Just attentively listened to that. I always thought it was a mess of piano. But you're right, it's a little descending thing with almost no tone to it buried in the mix!

Dang, yer right! I hadn't noticed either. There's definitely a guitar there, quite clear during the intro but also noticable at for example 0:56, 1:05 and 2:48. It's also audible from 3:50 onwards and you can hear how it transforms into that well known outro solo in the fadeout.
Love this about Exile (and Beggars Banquet and to a lesser degree other Stones albums) ... all the multi-layered stuff to discover.

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Taylor starts playing slide at the 17 second mark on Rocks off and can be heard at various parts of the song, like doing a walk down into the chorus.

Good grief. Just attentively listened to that. I always thought it was a mess of piano. But you're right, it's a little descending thing with almost no tone to it buried in the mix!

Dang, yer right! I hadn't noticed either. There's definitely a guitar there, quite clear during the intro but also noticable at for example 0:56, 1:05 and 2:48. It's also audible from 3:50 onwards and you can hear how it transforms into that well known outro solo in the fadeout.
Love this about Exile (and Beggars Banquet and to a lesser degree other Stones albums) ... all the multi-layered stuff to discover.

It's not there during the intro.

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Taylor starts playing slide at the 17 second mark on Rocks off and can be heard at various parts of the song, like doing a walk down into the chorus.

Good grief. Just attentively listened to that. I always thought it was a mess of piano. But you're right, it's a little descending thing with almost no tone to it buried in the mix!

Dang, yer right! I hadn't noticed either. There's definitely a guitar there, quite clear during the intro but also noticable at for example 0:56, 1:05 and 2:48. It's also audible from 3:50 onwards and you can hear how it transforms into that well known outro solo in the fadeout.
Love this about Exile (and Beggars Banquet and to a lesser degree other Stones albums) ... all the multi-layered stuff to discover.

It's not there during the intro.

Yeah it is - it's the guitar that sounds sort of like a muted trumpet. It comes in at :05 and then does a descending lick run right before the drums kick in.

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Taylor starts playing slide at the 17 second mark on Rocks off and can be heard at various parts of the song, like doing a walk down into the chorus.

Good grief. Just attentively listened to that. I always thought it was a mess of piano. But you're right, it's a little descending thing with almost no tone to it buried in the mix!

Dang, yer right! I hadn't noticed either. There's definitely a guitar there, quite clear during the intro but also noticable at for example 0:56, 1:05 and 2:48. It's also audible from 3:50 onwards and you can hear how it transforms into that well known outro solo in the fadeout.
Love this about Exile (and Beggars Banquet and to a lesser degree other Stones albums) ... all the multi-layered stuff to discover.

It's not there during the intro.

Yeah it is - it's the guitar that sounds sort of like a muted trumpet. It comes in at :05 and then does a descending lick run right before the drums kick in.

Ha ha! Is that a guitar, is that really what it is?

If only our ladies knew that we spend hours speculating on a few seconds of "muted trumpets" or "tenor steel pans" ...

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The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

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And Jeff Beck, how does he sound?? Common, give us another laugh!

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If only our ladies knew that we spend hours speculating on a few seconds of "muted trumpets" or "tenor steel pans" ...

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Exactly . Who the ef cares!! Ahhhh

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The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

Mathijs

And Jeff Beck, how does he sound?? Common, give us another laugh!

Listen to the outro of this version:





It is a different mix than the Exile version. The melodic lines in the outro are mixed way more upfront, and I don't know what it is, but to me it sounds most like a steel pan. Of course it could be anything -a organ through a echo pan, a marimba through an echo chamber, I don't know. But it doesn't sound like a guitar.

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The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

Mathijs

And Jeff Beck, how does he sound?? Common, give us another laugh!

And on Jeff Back -we used to have great fun routing a microphone through a series of guitar effects pedals through a loud Marshall amp, and then we would fart in turns through the microphone.

That's just how Jeff Beck sounds.

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The licks at the end do not sound very much like a guitar to me, it's sounds like a low tenor steel pan.

Mathijs

And Jeff Beck, how does he sound?? Common, give us another laugh!

Listen to the outro of this version:





It is a different mix than the Exile version. The melodic lines in the outro are mixed way more upfront, and I don't know what it is, but to me it sounds most like a steel pan. Of course it could be anything -a organ through a echo pan, a marimba through an echo chamber, I don't know. But it doesn't sound like a guitar.

Mathijs

A marimba would be my guess. They have it on Sweet Black Angel as well.

Here is the best instrumental version i found, Taylor`s guitar is much better audible than in final version.

Taylor plays on a left channel troughout the song ,starting from 00:5

Loving Cup outro = Steel pans.
If I recall correctly Jimmy Miller is noted as percussionist the track, and as long as we say steel pans are perc, its him playing.

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Loving Cup outro = Steel pans.
If I recall correctly Jimmy Miller is noted as percussionist the track, and as long as we say steel pans are perc, its him playing.

Thanks!

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Loving Cup outro = Steel pans.
If I recall correctly Jimmy Miller is noted as percussionist the track, and as long as we say steel pans are perc, its him playing.

So my ears were not deceiving me. Thanks!

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Loving Cup outro = Steel pans.
If I recall correctly Jimmy Miller is noted as percussionist the track, and as long as we say steel pans are perc, its him playing.

So my ears were not deceiving me. Thanks!

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But is it the same as on Torn And Frayed?

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on Jeff Back -we used to have great fun routing a microphone through a series of guitar effects pedals through a loud Marshall amp, and then we would fart in turns through the microphone.

That's just how Jeff Beck sounds.

Mathijs

Hatred makes man do ugly things. Let love rule!

That's no hatred, it's called envy.

Steel drums, or whatever percussion, on Loving Cup definitely gives it that creole sound. Torn & Frayed there is another electric guitar, which I believe to be Mick Taylor.

On a side note, there is a really cool Hendrix style blues lick, probably done on the A and low E strings, somewhere towards the end of Loving Cup. I thought it may have been Taylor, but I think it is Richards. I love low register licks like that on guitar.



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Steel drums, or whatever percussion, on Loving Cup definitely gives it that creole sound. Torn & Frayed there is another electric guitar, which I believe to be Mick Taylor.

On a side note, there is a really cool Hendrix style blues lick, probably done on the A and low E strings, somewhere towards the end of Loving Cup. I thought it may have been Taylor, but I think it is Richards. I love low register licks like that on guitar.

It is Keith. No Taylor on guitar on LC.

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Torn & Frayed there is another electric guitar, which I believe to be Mick Taylor.

Please tell me where you hear this
I´ve been fiddling with the frequency scope all evening and can´t find it ...

I do have found some really nice backup vocals from Keith and an amazing pedal steel track.

The way I see it the "main" electric goes on thoughout the track but is cleverly faded out during the high legato/sustain licks from the pedal steel at approx.3.53.
Keith does some great pulloff licks with that main electric during the last verse starting at 2.37.

The first time I hear the doublestop coda guitar is at 3.41, and then it sweeps into the mix at full force at 3.53. Some of these licks is introduced /foreshaddowed in the main electric during "steal your heart away" at 2.30 and 3.15.
The coda guitar sounds like a standard overdub. Probably the main electric guitar was recorded all the way to the end and then Miller decided to do a classic Stones coda where something new is introduced at the very end making you want more.

If my life depended on it I would say both the main electric and the little coda lick at the end is played with the same guitar and the lovingly clumsily/raw/organic quality make me believe its Richards all the way.

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Torn & Frayed there is another electric guitar, which I believe to be Mick Taylor.

Please tell me where you hear this
I´ve been fiddling with the frequency scope all evening and can´t find it ...

I do have found some really nice backup vocals from Keith and an amazing pedal steel track.

The way I see it the "main" electric goes on thoughout the track but is cleverly faded out during the high legato/sustain licks from the pedal steel at approx.3.53.
Keith does some great pulloff licks with that main electric during the last verse starting at 2.37.

The first time I hear the doublestop coda guitar is at 3.41, and then it sweeps into the mix at full force at 3.53. Some of these licks is introduced /foreshaddowed in the main electric during "steal your heart away" at 2.30 and 3.15.
The coda guitar sounds like a standard overdub. Probably the main electric guitar was recorded all the way to the end and then Miller decided to do a classic Stones coda where something new is introduced at the very end making you want more.

If my life depended on it I would say both the main electric and the little coda lick at the end is played with the same guitar and the lovingly clumsily/raw/organic quality make me believe its Richards all the way.

I'll check in the morning, but what I heard the other night was the lick (and similar licks) in the outro is buried during at least the last 2 choruses. During Richards' guitar part. The licks are strikingly similar to Taylor's part at Vancouver '72. I was listening to the newest remaster in headphones. Towards the left side, and very low, but they're there. Makes me think he recorded a whole part and they only emphasized the end to change-up the song a bit.



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TravellinMan:

I have now listened to various version, even with different frequencies (thanks to Mr. RobberBride). The lick that enters round 3:41 is definitely Keith. It's either an overdub (still only one electric guitar) or he wiped something he played prior to that lick.

The lick is clumsily played, Keith-style. You're right about Taylor playing it in Vancouver. But it doesn't sound exactly the same. My guess is that he felt it was an important ingredient in the song and hence chose to play it live, even though it was Keith's part.