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Also, after leaving Nellcote, the band flew to LA to finish recording. How much input did MT have during that time...it appears very little from what I've read.
Yep. A lot of overdubs were done in Sunset Studios, and I think one should assume a fair bit of MT´s (overdub) work was done there, and not only in Nellcote.
Also, the inevitable question weather "Torn and Frayed" was completely recorded in LA (and possibly also "Turd" ) still is open for discussion. I dont think I´ve ever have heard a take prior (or in) Nellcote of those two tracks.
So if MT plays bass on Torn, he definitely did some work in LA. (The same goes for Charlie....Possibly some of the doubletracked drums on TD and Torn should be from LA.)
Please chime in on this
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A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
And Olympic Studios.
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The inevitable question weather "Torn and Frayed" was completely recorded in LA (and possibly also "Turd" ) still is open for discussion.
Personally I doubt that Turd was recorded in LA. It doesn't sound "hifi" enough, does it? I always assumed it had that Nellcote vibe. Of course you can always add reverb and other effects to give it a basement vibe, but I still think it sounds Nellcote.
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A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
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DandelionPowderman
A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
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one of the finest solos on Exile isn't by any of the Stones. the steel on Torn And Frayed..Al Perkins..
Must have been dubbed in LA. I can't see him at Nell Cote
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As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
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As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
Wonderful story!
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FP
In my mind GHS is an infinitely weaker album than Exile but then again it is not a fair comparison due to various circumstances surrounding the band.
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DandelionPowderman
A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
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drbryant
One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
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One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
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To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music.
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drbryant
One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
So you'd think there's little for him to complain about it what he did or how much credit he deserves, etc. on the EOMS album.
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
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To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music.
The purest stones music would be the music made by all of the core five or six original/professional band members without any outside musicians.
Brian, Stu, Keith, Mick, Bill, Charlie.
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
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FP
It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
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It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
You misunderstand me.
Purity is rare and that's true for pure stones music. There isn't that much of it. It got dirtied very early on with some amazing results.
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So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
Bill Wyman is missing from half the record. Taylor is definitely on Rocks Off and Turd, by the way.
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Much of the album is a brilliant mess. It is a masterpiece in spite of itself.