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"Let Me Go" and "Shattered"... What? I thought you Dandie were not keen on speeded/coked up versions? Isn't that, what did you say... a bit cheap way to sound energetic? Or does the latter only apply to Taylor days...
- Doxa
Still Life is in breach of the descriptions act. It should be Coke Life.
sweet summer sun will get the same. boring.
Jeroen
Agreed. A lost opportunity in the light of HP 1969 history.
Probably the last one to get bad reviews. Every damn album ever since has been hailed "the best since EXILE - or at least SOME GIRLS"... I don't know what the hec happened to good critical rock journalism as far as the Stones are concerned; the mission seems to be like defending the group for still somehow representing the musical values from the times when rock and roll still meant something, no matter what the actual output has been like. That's at least been the impression I have got during all these years when reading those reviews. Or probably the records just were so damn good...
- Doxa
Well, I didn't make it up:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Well said.
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! had set the standard a bit too high...
- Doxa
The link you provided said the album was well received
Not to think of an official live album from the 1972 and/or 1973 tour!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 18:53 by kleermaker.
If you think that twice only two stars means well received ....
I disagree, but have to say that both L&G and the official Brussels are absolutely NOT among the best of those tours, while YaYa's' songs are. Had they released the bootleg Brussels then it would have surpassed even YaYa's. The same goes for the Philly and NYC 1972 concerts. Besides, both L&G and the official Brussels have an inferior sound quality, certainly compared to YaYa's.
It doesn't sound like you disagree
If I had to choose between YaYa's and the official Brussels it would be hard, but I prefer the bootleg Brussels to YaYa's. Also L&G is above YaYa's on my list, but with a nose's length.
You know I like "Live In Texas", right? That should answer your assumption pretty well
AND: The way Shattered and Let Me Go are played has nothing to do with the wanking fest JJF from L&G. At least Keith and Ronnie take their solo spots, instead of destroying Mick's singing - just a minor detail you forgot
AND: Those two studio versions are a bit too slow for my liking
Okay, okay.... your explanation is accepted. Just about.
I like the slow, groovie tempos of the originals (even though I admit "Shattered" sounds almost like will fall apart any second just for the engine rolling way too slow and under-speed... "Let Me Go" has been always for me like a shining example of the unique Stones groove in its best decadent Pathe Marconi form), but I like STILL LIFE versions due to the fact that they still are "road versions". They use some sort of artistic imagination in their delivery, if nothing else but speeeding them up. Perhaps with "Let Me Go" a bit too much, since they sound way too busy to quite keep it in their hands, and sound oddly not in touch with it.
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 11:57 by Doxa.
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Re: Still Life
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: November 10, 2013 01:41
"Live albums are funny things. I mean, it's not the sort of thing I rush home to play but this one sounds pretty good. It's... CONCISE. You know, it's like a telescopic version of the show."
-Mick 1982
"All this live stuff I want to come out as soon as it's ready, you know. Otherwise it becomes history. I would've liked the live album to come out in January but it's impossible, you know - I was dead on me feet. It sounds pretty good to me and I don't generally like live albums. I've stuck with this one so - it's good stuff."
-Keith 1982
Quotes from [www.timeisonourside.com]
-Mick 1982
"All this live stuff I want to come out as soon as it's ready, you know. Otherwise it becomes history. I would've liked the live album to come out in January but it's impossible, you know - I was dead on me feet. It sounds pretty good to me and I don't generally like live albums. I've stuck with this one so - it's good stuff."
-Keith 1982
Quotes from [www.timeisonourside.com]
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
()
Date: November 10, 2013 01:52
Still Life & GYYYO have flow & continuity. Love You Live , Match Point etc.., good albums in their own respect, do not share the same attributes.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 10, 2013 02:09
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Hampton is the real live album from that tour.
And there's nothing wrong with Satisfaction, Let Me Go or Shattered on Still Life, imo. The two latter songs are my favourite versions.
"Let Me Go" and "Shattered"... What? I thought you Dandie were not keen on speeded/coked up versions? Isn't that, what did you say... a bit cheap way to sound energetic? Or does the latter only apply to Taylor days...
- Doxa
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
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Date: November 10, 2013 02:18
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DoxaQuote
DandelionPowderman
Hampton is the real live album from that tour.
And there's nothing wrong with Satisfaction, Let Me Go or Shattered on Still Life, imo. The two latter songs are my favourite versions.
"Let Me Go" and "Shattered"... What? I thought you Dandie were not keen on speeded/coked up versions? Isn't that, what did you say... a bit cheap way to sound energetic? Or does the latter only apply to Taylor days...
- Doxa
Still Life is in breach of the descriptions act. It should be Coke Life.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: November 10, 2013 15:52
Prefer SL to SweetSS.
better sound, some excitement to the show.
Jeroen
better sound, some excitement to the show.
Jeroen
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 17:41
Still life is lifeless. Got also bad reviews from the critics. And rightly so.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:03
Quote
kleermaker
Still life is lifeless. Got also bad reviews from the critics. And rightly so.
sweet summer sun will get the same. boring.
Jeroen
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:08
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corriecasQuote
kleermaker
Still life is lifeless. Got also bad reviews from the critics. And rightly so.
sweet summer sun will get the same. boring.
Jeroen
Agreed. A lost opportunity in the light of HP 1969 history.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:12
Quote
kleermaker
Still life is lifeless. Got also bad reviews from the critics. And rightly so.
Probably the last one to get bad reviews. Every damn album ever since has been hailed "the best since EXILE - or at least SOME GIRLS"... I don't know what the hec happened to good critical rock journalism as far as the Stones are concerned; the mission seems to be like defending the group for still somehow representing the musical values from the times when rock and roll still meant something, no matter what the actual output has been like. That's at least been the impression I have got during all these years when reading those reviews. Or probably the records just were so damn good...
- Doxa
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:14
Quote
DoxaQuote
kleermaker
Still life is lifeless. Got also bad reviews from the critics. And rightly so.
Probably the last one to get bad reviews. Every damn album ever since has been hailed "the best since EXILE - or at least SOME GIRLS"... I don't know what the hec happened to good critical rock journalism as far as the Stones are concerned; the mission seems to be like defending the group for still somehow representing the musical values from the times when rock and roll still meant something, no matter what the actual output has been like. That's at least been the impression I have got during all these years when reading those reviews. Or probably the records just were so damn good...
- Doxa
Well, I didn't make it up:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
buffalo7478
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:20
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Elmo Lewis
Lots of chatter lately about Tattoo You and Undercover. But there was another Stones album in between - The 1981 tour document Still Life. It's rarely discussed here and seems to rate somewhere between the sublime Ya Yas and the abysmal Love You Live (El Mocambo side excepted). One fan's thoughts:
The album gets off to a great start, then the Stones come on: Just kidding Sir Duke's "Take The A Train" provides a cool intro for the band.
This version of "Under My Thumb" is smoking with nice, loud guitars. After the somewhat confusing-at-the-time comments (this was the dawn of PPV remember), we get a guitar driven version of LSTNT. I actually prefer this to the studio version. Then, the wheels come off. "Shattered" has never sounded worth a crap live - this is Exhibit A. The 2 covers are fairly interesting and decent. Nothing bad, nothing too great either.
Side 2 begins with "Let Me Go", an average song that sounds average on here. I love "Time Is On My Side" here, a little different from the studio version, but cool nonetheless. Ditto "Just My Imagination". Sure, it's edited all to hell, but still sounds good. "Start Me Up" was the current hit and the crowd reacts to it nicely. However, the home listener thinks it sounds thin - nothing like the full-bore version that opens Flashpoint. The Stones finish with an awful sounding version of "Satisfaction" (never sound good live, Exhibit B, someone buy Keith a cheap fuzzbox please). Hendrix's SSB closes out this document (now there's a guest star!).
Some highs, some lows. To many this was the last hurrah of the "real" Stones (although 1982's European tour was ongoing at the time). Your thoughts?
Well said.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:23
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 18:24 by Doxa.
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 18:24 by Doxa.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:32
Still Life and it's film cousin, LSTNT, are enjoyable, with a few high points, but they haven't aged well. Meanwhile the Hampton download and the boot DVD have emerged as the true testament of the '81 tour.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:38
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24FPS
Still Life and it's film cousin, LSTNT, are enjoyable, with a few high points, but they haven't aged well. Meanwhile the Hampton download and the boot DVD have emerged as the true testament of the '81 tour.
- Doxa
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:44
Quote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
MrMonte
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:46
I've always though the album was ok, even before I was into bootlegs. Not great, not bad, just good. I did feel that ten songs was a bit short.
Where I have issue with your post, btw, is your characterization of Ya-Yas and LYL. Ya-yas is good but awfully overdubbed. Shows off the band at the time, and yeah, it's one of the better ones.
Love You Live though, is to me absolutely fantastic, by far my favorite Stones live album. I love the sloppiness, the volume, everything about it. That's how I think of the Stones: loud, boozy, and with lots of Ronnie at his best.
Different tastes!
Where I have issue with your post, btw, is your characterization of Ya-Yas and LYL. Ya-yas is good but awfully overdubbed. Shows off the band at the time, and yeah, it's one of the better ones.
Love You Live though, is to me absolutely fantastic, by far my favorite Stones live album. I love the sloppiness, the volume, everything about it. That's how I think of the Stones: loud, boozy, and with lots of Ronnie at his best.
Different tastes!
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:48
Quote
kleermakerQuote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! had set the standard a bit too high...
- Doxa
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:52
Quote
kleermakerQuote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
The link you provided said the album was well received
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:53
Quote
DoxaQuote
kleermakerQuote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! had set the standard a bit too high...
- Doxa
Not to think of an official live album from the 1972 and/or 1973 tour!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 18:53 by kleermaker.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:55
Ya yas blows both 72 (L&G) and 73 (BA) out of the water!
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 18:56
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
kleermakerQuote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
The link you provided said the album was well received
If you think that twice only two stars means well received ....
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 10, 2013 19:09
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Ya yas blows both 72 (L&G) and 73 (BA) out of the water!
I disagree, but have to say that both L&G and the official Brussels are absolutely NOT among the best of those tours, while YaYa's' songs are. Had they released the bootleg Brussels then it would have surpassed even YaYa's. The same goes for the Philly and NYC 1972 concerts. Besides, both L&G and the official Brussels have an inferior sound quality, certainly compared to YaYa's.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 10, 2013 22:44
Quote
kleermakerQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
kleermakerQuote
Doxa
Yep (to Kleermaker's last post). This is what (also cited in Wikipedia) Bill Wyman says of it in ROLLING WITH THE STONES:
"As a live album it pales against GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! and doesn't come close to LOVE YOU LIVE. It is best remembered as the 27th US and 23rd UK release, and not a lot else".
- Doxa
Love You Live wasn't well received either. In fact even worse than SL:
[en.wikipedia.org]
The link you provided said the album was well received
Two random reviews, while the article focused on how the album was received in general
If you think that twice only two stars means well received ....
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 10, 2013 22:45
Quote
kleermakerQuote
DandelionPowderman
Ya yas blows both 72 (L&G) and 73 (BA) out of the water!
I disagree, but have to say that both L&G and the official Brussels are absolutely NOT among the best of those tours, while YaYa's' songs are. Had they released the bootleg Brussels then it would have surpassed even YaYa's. The same goes for the Philly and NYC 1972 concerts. Besides, both L&G and the official Brussels have an inferior sound quality, certainly compared to YaYa's.
It doesn't sound like you disagree
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: November 11, 2013 00:55
However Ya Yas was produced, it stands alone as the quintessential live Stones album. There's just something about, it, the power, the roughness. When they turn that corner to Street Fighting Man everything is regal and through the roof. It has to be among the top 5 live rock albums of all time, including Band of Gypsys, David Live, The Who Live at Leeds, and Woodstock.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 03:28 by 24FPS.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 03:28 by 24FPS.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: November 11, 2013 01:03
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
kleermakerQuote
DandelionPowderman
Ya yas blows both 72 (L&G) and 73 (BA) out of the water!
I disagree, but have to say that both L&G and the official Brussels are absolutely NOT among the best of those tours, while YaYa's' songs are. Had they released the bootleg Brussels then it would have surpassed even YaYa's. The same goes for the Philly and NYC 1972 concerts. Besides, both L&G and the official Brussels have an inferior sound quality, certainly compared to YaYa's.
It doesn't sound like you disagree
If I had to choose between YaYa's and the official Brussels it would be hard, but I prefer the bootleg Brussels to YaYa's. Also L&G is above YaYa's on my list, but with a nose's length.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
ifyacantrockme
()
Date: November 11, 2013 01:12
I've never liked this album. I thought Clearmountain did a good mix on it, clear and well defined guitars. #1-But it seems too short. #2-Let Me Go, is a terrible arrangement compared to the cool vibe the studio has. #3-too many covers on it. First 5 songs rock really good though.
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 11, 2013 10:29
Quote
DoxaQuote
DandelionPowderman
Hampton is the real live album from that tour.
And there's nothing wrong with Satisfaction, Let Me Go or Shattered on Still Life, imo. The two latter songs are my favourite versions.
"Let Me Go" and "Shattered"... What? I thought you Dandie were not keen on speeded/coked up versions? Isn't that, what did you say... a bit cheap way to sound energetic? Or does the latter only apply to Taylor days...
- Doxa
You know I like "Live In Texas", right? That should answer your assumption pretty well
AND: The way Shattered and Let Me Go are played has nothing to do with the wanking fest JJF from L&G. At least Keith and Ronnie take their solo spots, instead of destroying Mick's singing - just a minor detail you forgot
AND: Those two studio versions are a bit too slow for my liking
Re: Still Life
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: November 11, 2013 11:55
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
DoxaQuote
DandelionPowderman
Hampton is the real live album from that tour.
And there's nothing wrong with Satisfaction, Let Me Go or Shattered on Still Life, imo. The two latter songs are my favourite versions.
"Let Me Go" and "Shattered"... What? I thought you Dandie were not keen on speeded/coked up versions? Isn't that, what did you say... a bit cheap way to sound energetic? Or does the latter only apply to Taylor days...
- Doxa
You know I like "Live In Texas", right? That should answer your assumption pretty well
AND: The way Shattered and Let Me Go are played has nothing to do with the wanking fest JJF from L&G. At least Keith and Ronnie take their solo spots, instead of destroying Mick's singing - just a minor detail you forgot
AND: Those two studio versions are a bit too slow for my liking
Okay, okay.... your explanation is accepted. Just about.
I like the slow, groovie tempos of the originals (even though I admit "Shattered" sounds almost like will fall apart any second just for the engine rolling way too slow and under-speed... "Let Me Go" has been always for me like a shining example of the unique Stones groove in its best decadent Pathe Marconi form), but I like STILL LIFE versions due to the fact that they still are "road versions". They use some sort of artistic imagination in their delivery, if nothing else but speeeding them up. Perhaps with "Let Me Go" a bit too much, since they sound way too busy to quite keep it in their hands, and sound oddly not in touch with it.
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 11:57 by Doxa.
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