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Doxa
In regard to SGT. PEPPER vs. SATANIC MAJESTIES issue, it is funny how history has treated those albums.
There was a time when PEPPER was seen as the best album ever done, always making number one on whatever 'best albums ever' list. It was like a non-disputed fact of rock history. But nowadays the album, despite its historical significance recognized, is not seen even the best Beatles album by many. Its glory has to an extent disappeared.
SATANIC MAJESTIES, by contrast, was, according to the same official rock canon, for years seen as a total failure in Stones career. Clearly their worst moment, a flop, an embarrassing side-step and whatever. But funnily, nowadays its reputation starts to be much better, it even making people's top ten Stones albums lists, etc. The hipsters digging 60's weirdeness, see it as a hidden masterpiece. It is a cult classic in certain psychedelia circles.
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You make fun of Number 9 - have you listened to THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST? A complete joke of an album. A wanna be album with 4 of the 10 songs being worthy of release. Still better than DIRTY WORK. But just as bad: embarrassments of the catalogue.
You are being very unreasonable here. Revolution 9 is a mess of a sound collage - devoid of any musical ideas. SATANIC is filled with actual songs. Even the long improvisation has many interesting twists and turns. I cite from a Rateyourmusic review: "The song is other worldly, filled with shimmering electronics, gentle textures, hypnotic voices, blistering held in check guitars, and can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times." The only song I think is substandard is actually the opening song Sing This All Together. All the other songs are very good.And the album is truly psychedelic, as opposed to the not so psychedelic Sgt.Pepper.
Oh.
Okay.
You site something that says a lot of nothing, especially the fanboy joke of "can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times" and then quote SGT PEPPERS as being "not to psychedelic"... is there a level that determines it?
One could easily say TSMR, a pathetic album with some great songs, is stupid and a hilarious attempt at copying SGT PEPPERS, a great album with great songs.
Actually 1 in a million people DO THINK that TSMR is better thank Sgt Pepper, so how bout that huh buster?!
AND, TSMR is regularly considered the 42nd best studio album the Rolling Stones has ever released!
Well, you know, a sail boat can have its sails up period!
TSMR is ranked the 8th best LP by the Stones on Rateyourmusic, on the same level as Out Of Our Heads and Goats Head Soup, above IORR. Clearly your knowledge of the Stones discography is limited.
Alright settle down with the insults, we're all just having a bit of fun. You can prefer TSMR to anything you want, and I personally love the little psychedelic side trip the band took. However broadly speaking there is no comparison with which is the better, musically and more culturally and historically significant album.
And I for one don't even 'prefer' Sgt. Pepper to TSMR, but I have the clarity of thought to understand that it just is better, often considered the best Beatles album, or at least one of the best.
I don't think many would say TSMR is the best Stones album...not even top 10.
When I decades ago was liberated from the personal restricting consequences of having a narrow hierarchy of Rolling Stones albums (for quite long with BEGGARS BANQUET at the very top), I learnt instead to have approximately 12 Rolling Stones albums as their great ones, without internal ranking. Among those twelve, there is THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. That is, fully on par with their four following studio albums, mark that. In fact, on it's release, I was for some time much saddened by the new direction for the band that BEGGARS BANQUET indicated. So much had I loved the two albums released in 1967, I still do.
And much as I may appreciate SGT PEPPERS, I like better and find as better THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. Aware that the former was more important in the development in pop music at large outside the Stones and the Beatles.
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You make fun of Number 9 - have you listened to THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST? A complete joke of an album. A wanna be album with 4 of the 10 songs being worthy of release. Still better than DIRTY WORK. But just as bad: embarrassments of the catalogue.
You are being very unreasonable here. Revolution 9 is a mess of a sound collage - devoid of any musical ideas. SATANIC is filled with actual songs. Even the long improvisation has many interesting twists and turns. I cite from a Rateyourmusic review: "The song is other worldly, filled with shimmering electronics, gentle textures, hypnotic voices, blistering held in check guitars, and can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times." The only song I think is substandard is actually the opening song Sing This All Together. All the other songs are very good.And the album is truly psychedelic, as opposed to the not so psychedelic Sgt.Pepper.
Oh.
Okay.
You site something that says a lot of nothing, especially the fanboy joke of "can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times" and then quote SGT PEPPERS as being "not to psychedelic"... is there a level that determines it?
One could easily say TSMR, a pathetic album with some great songs, is stupid and a hilarious attempt at copying SGT PEPPERS, a great album with great songs.
Actually 1 in a million people DO THINK that TSMR is better thank Sgt Pepper, so how bout that huh buster?!
AND, TSMR is regularly considered the 42nd best studio album the Rolling Stones has ever released!
Well, you know, a sail boat can have its sails up period!
TSMR is ranked the 8th best LP by the Stones on Rateyourmusic, on the same level as Out Of Our Heads and Goats Head Soup, above IORR. Clearly your knowledge of the Stones discography is limited.
Alright settle down with the insults, we're all just having a bit of fun. You can prefer TSMR to anything you want, and I personally love the little psychedelic side trip the band took. However broadly speaking there is no comparison with which is the better, musically and more culturally and historically significant album.
And I for one don't even 'prefer' Sgt. Pepper to TSMR, but I have the clarity of thought to understand that it just is better, often considered the best Beatles album, or at least one of the best.
I don't think many would say TSMR is the best Stones album...not even top 10.
When I decades ago was liberated from the personal restricting consequences of having a narrow hierarchy of Rolling Stones albums (for quite long with BEGGARS BANQUET at the very top), I learnt instead to have approximately 12 Rolling Stones albums as their great ones, without internal ranking. Among those twelve, there is THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. That is, fully on par with their four following studio albums, mark that. In fact, on it's release, I was for some time much saddened by the new direction for the band that BEGGARS BANQUET indicated. So much had I loved the two albums released in 1967, I still do.
And much as I may appreciate SGT PEPPERS, I like better and find as better THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. Aware that the former was more important in the development in pop music at large outside the Stones and the Beatles.
I'm not sure I would find it quite top 12, but it is an enjoyable album for sure and again, much better that we have this than not.
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You make fun of Number 9 - have you listened to THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST? A complete joke of an album. A wanna be album with 4 of the 10 songs being worthy of release. Still better than DIRTY WORK. But just as bad: embarrassments of the catalogue.
You are being very unreasonable here. Revolution 9 is a mess of a sound collage - devoid of any musical ideas. SATANIC is filled with actual songs. Even the long improvisation has many interesting twists and turns. I cite from a Rateyourmusic review: "The song is other worldly, filled with shimmering electronics, gentle textures, hypnotic voices, blistering held in check guitars, and can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times." The only song I think is substandard is actually the opening song Sing This All Together. All the other songs are very good.And the album is truly psychedelic, as opposed to the not so psychedelic Sgt.Pepper.
Oh.
Okay.
You site something that says a lot of nothing, especially the fanboy joke of "can be matched by nothing done any other group from the times" and then quote SGT PEPPERS as being "not to psychedelic"... is there a level that determines it?
One could easily say TSMR, a pathetic album with some great songs, is stupid and a hilarious attempt at copying SGT PEPPERS, a great album with great songs.
Actually 1 in a million people DO THINK that TSMR is better thank Sgt Pepper, so how bout that huh buster?!
AND, TSMR is regularly considered the 42nd best studio album the Rolling Stones has ever released!
Well, you know, a sail boat can have its sails up period!
TSMR is ranked the 8th best LP by the Stones on Rateyourmusic, on the same level as Out Of Our Heads and Goats Head Soup, above IORR. Clearly your knowledge of the Stones discography is limited.
Alright settle down with the insults, we're all just having a bit of fun. You can prefer TSMR to anything you want, and I personally love the little psychedelic side trip the band took. However broadly speaking there is no comparison with which is the better, musically and more culturally and historically significant album.
And I for one don't even 'prefer' Sgt. Pepper to TSMR, but I have the clarity of thought to understand that it just is better, often considered the best Beatles album, or at least one of the best.
I don't think many would say TSMR is the best Stones album...not even top 10.
When I decades ago was liberated from the personal restricting consequences of having a narrow hierarchy of Rolling Stones albums (for quite long with BEGGARS BANQUET at the very top), I learnt instead to have approximately 12 Rolling Stones albums as their great ones, without internal ranking. Among those twelve, there is THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. That is, fully on par with their four following studio albums, mark that. In fact, on it's release, I was for some time much saddened by the new direction for the band that BEGGARS BANQUET indicated. So much had I loved the two albums released in 1967, I still do.
And much as I may appreciate SGT PEPPERS, I like better and find as better THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST. Aware that the former was more important in the development in pop music at large outside the Stones and the Beatles.
I'm not sure I would find it quite top 12, but it is an enjoyable album for sure and again, much better that we have this than not.
Well, I did not say that THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST in my view is a top 12 album. Instead, I placed it as a tied number ONE among approximately 12 studio albums by the Stones.
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
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Doxa
In regard to SGT. PEPPER vs. SATANIC MAJESTIES issue, it is funny how history has treated those albums.
There was a time when PEPPER was seen as the best album ever done, always making number one on whatever 'best albums ever' list. It was like a non-disputed fact of rock history. But nowadays the album, despite its historical significance recognized, is not seen even the best Beatles album by many. Its glory has to an extent disappeared.
SATANIC MAJESTIES, by contrast, was, according to the same official rock canon, for years seen as a total failure in Stones career. Clearly their worst moment, a flop, an embarrassing side-step and whatever. But funnily, nowadays its reputation starts to be much better, it even making people's top ten Stones albums lists, etc. The hipsters digging 60's weirdeness, see it as a hidden masterpiece. It is a cult classic in certain psychedelia circles.
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
That is the atomistic approach. An alternative is to experience the albums as wholes. (As you make a call for science, treacle: Within science, the former would probably be seen as socalled 'methodological individualism').
By the way, for me the key to start loving THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST as album, in contrast to appreciating many of the various songs, was when I began to love "Gomper".
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
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By the way, for me the key to start loving THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST as album, in contrast to appreciating many of the various songs, was when I began to love "Gomper".
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By the way, for me the key to start loving THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST as album, in contrast to appreciating many of the various songs, was when I began to love "Gomper".
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Nice! Fabulous answer!
Nonetheless! My take on "Gomper" is seriously meant as much as any other post from me.
It springs from the same inclination that I also have in favour of for instance the German group Tangerine Dream's albums ATEM (1973) and PHAEDRA (1974).
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Doxa
In regard to SGT. PEPPER vs. SATANIC MAJESTIES issue, it is funny how history has treated those albums.
There was a time when PEPPER was seen as the best album ever done, always making number one on whatever 'best albums ever' list. It was like a non-disputed fact of rock history. But nowadays the album, despite its historical significance recognized, is not seen even the best Beatles album by many. Its glory has to an extent disappeared.
SATANIC MAJESTIES, by contrast, was, according to the same official rock canon, for years seen as a total failure in Stones career. Clearly their worst moment, a flop, an embarrassing side-step and whatever. But funnily, nowadays its reputation starts to be much better, it even making people's top ten Stones albums lists, etc. The hipsters digging 60's weirdeness, see it as a hidden masterpiece. It is a cult classic in certain psychedelia circles.
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Great news that people are getting around to realize that TSMR is a very good album. Personally I discovered this in 1967.
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
Wrong with your first choice, it's really a boring song. She's a Rainbow tops it easily.
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Doxa
In regard to SGT. PEPPER vs. SATANIC MAJESTIES issue, it is funny how history has treated those albums.
There was a time when PEPPER was seen as the best album ever done, always making number one on whatever 'best albums ever' list. It was like a non-disputed fact of rock history. But nowadays the album, despite its historical significance recognized, is not seen even the best Beatles album by many. Its glory has to an extent disappeared.
SATANIC MAJESTIES, by contrast, was, according to the same official rock canon, for years seen as a total failure in Stones career. Clearly their worst moment, a flop, an embarrassing side-step and whatever. But funnily, nowadays its reputation starts to be much better, it even making people's top ten Stones albums lists, etc. The hipsters digging 60's weirdeness, see it as a hidden masterpiece. It is a cult classic in certain psychedelia circles.
- Doxa
Great news that people are getting around to realize that TSMR is a very good album. Personally I discovered this in 1967.
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You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
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You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
This is killing me. For the record I basically like TSMR, there's a few I don't love though.
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My one wish: please can they one day release the mono mixes as standalone releases. Again, with this set, the mono mix is only available as part of the super-deluxe box. Why not release this mic as part of the 2-CD offer?
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
Wrong with your first choice, it's really a boring song. She's a Rainbow tops it easily.
You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
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TRACK BY TRACK...listing Sgt. Pepper vs. TSMR in order of 'goodness'...hey, don't blame me. THIS IS SCIENCE!!
1. A Day In The Life
2. She's A Rainbow
3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
4. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
5. 2000 Man
6. 2000 Light Years From Home
7. Fixing A Hole
8. A Little Help From My Friends
9. Citadel
10. In Another Land
11. Getting Better
12. She's Leaving Home
13. The Lantern
14. Within and Without You
15. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite
16. When I'm 64
17. Sgt. Pepper Reprise
18. On With The Show
19. Good Morning, Good Morning
20. Lovely Rita
21. Sing This Song Altogether
22. Gomper
23. Sing This Song Altogether (See What Happens)
Wrong with your first choice, it's really a boring song. She's a Rainbow tops it easily.
You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
I'm the man who walks the hillside in the sweet summer sun.
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You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
This is killing me. For the record I basically like TSMR, there's a few I don't love though.
I think a lot of the 'disdain' for the album is a result of the cover...it is fairly obviously a 'wannabe' of Pepper, dressing up, the colour of the album, etc.
Had they just done something totally different ie the maze...had the maze been the cover, you wouldn't have had the direct comparisons to Pepper and all the disdain that went with it. BUT, you may not have had 'the need' by the band to prove themselves again, so maybe we don't get JJF or Beggar's? And that definitely was the choicest path for them to have gone onto.
Is it an amazing album? No. Does it have some amazing songs? Yes.
Is it a worthwhile addition to the canon? Absolutely. 3 or 3.5 starts out of 5.
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You dare question the scientific method? Who in the hell do you think you are?!
This is killing me. For the record I basically like TSMR, there's a few I don't love though.
I think a lot of the 'disdain' for the album is a result of the cover...it is fairly obviously a 'wannabe' of Pepper, dressing up, the colour of the album, etc.
Had they just done something totally different ie the maze...had the maze been the cover, you wouldn't have had the direct comparisons to Pepper and all the disdain that went with it. BUT, you may not have had 'the need' by the band to prove themselves again, so maybe we don't get JJF or Beggar's? And that definitely was the choicest path for them to have gone onto.
Is it an amazing album? No. Does it have some amazing songs? Yes.
Is it a worthwhile addition to the canon? Absolutely. 3 or 3.5 starts out of 5.
LOL yeah - how bad is DIRTY WORK? Listen to this one!
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Haha, lem you’re too much. Are you really trying to say there’s no Beatles Fans? Just because John died that helped bring attention to them, haha. I hate to say it but I haven’t noticed a surge in Stones Fans since Charlie passed. Maybe it’s because they’re from the 1960s?