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I guess so, there's ebayers already offering the Best Buy +1-version, like this one (I don't think it's fake):

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Surely not fake, delivery dates are listed as between Sept 30 and Oct 6, no one has this in hand yet but I've heard that copies will soon be shipped out to many internet bloggers and other music reviewers so we will soon be getting more detailed song by song reviews as part of the incredible media PR blitz for this record.

It's amazing how much PR and hype is going into this release in light of how quietly the Stones slipped the SF live release out. I can't recall many other records with this much build up actually.

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I never bought Keith's claim that MM was lifted from the "Japanese thing" he had done and always thought he was just a bit jealous that such a beautiful Stones song was done without him. It's one of those things we'll never know, like Bill's claim to have written the JJF riff, either you believe him or you don't. Besides, it's like saying some of Keith songs were lifted from Chuck Berry. Keith probably had played hammered riffs with droning strings before, it's pretty common guitar technique but I think Micks use of it in the construction of MM was where the song was born and he it the one who did all the work to create it. Watching Keith playing this one on tour has only supported by opinion.

some of keith's songs were definitely lifted from Chuck Berry. and keith will be the first to admit to it.

Well he certainly didn't tell his publisher, lol. My comment was in regards to his claim that he had the Moonlight Mile riff and that Mick lifted it from him. If I recall it was not in the "inspired by" vein that Keith uses with reference to Berry but more of the "I actually wrote that" attitude which think is a bit of a stretch. And also to point out that those riffs Keith uses on IORR and other songs are cliche guitar phrases that are just as common in the guitarists toolbox as the hammered droning stuff Mick uses in MM.

I agree with maindefender that Crosseyed Heart better be good with all the PR. I think Keith must be proud of it in any case and I'm delighted he's putting anything out at this point. Bring it on!

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I never bought Keith's claim that MM was lifted from the "Japanese thing" he had done and always thought he was just a bit jealous that such a beautiful Stones song was done without him. It's one of those things we'll never know, like Bill's claim to have written the JJF riff, either you believe him or you don't. Besides, it's like saying some of Keith songs were lifted from Chuck Berry. Keith probably had played hammered riffs with droning strings before, it's pretty common guitar technique but I think Micks use of it in the construction of MM was where the song was born and he it the one who did all the work to create it. Watching Keith playing this one on tour has only supported by opinion.

some of keith's songs were definitely lifted from Chuck Berry. and keith will be the first to admit to it.

Well he certainly didn't tell his publisher, lol. My comment was in regards to his claim that he had the Moonlight Mile riff and that Mick lifted it from him. If I recall it was not in the "inspired by" vein that Keith uses with reference to Berry but more of the "I actually wrote that" attitude which think is a bit of a stretch. And also to point out that those riffs Keith uses on IORR and other songs are cliche guitar phrases that are just as common in the guitarists toolbox as the hammered droning stuff Mick uses in MM.

I agree with maindefender that Crosseyed Heart better be good with all the PR. I think Keith must be proud of it in any case and I'm delighted he's putting anything out at this point. Bring it on!

you messed up the quotes again.

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I never bought Keith's claim that MM was lifted from the "Japanese thing" he had done and always thought he was just a bit jealous that such a beautiful Stones song was done without him. It's one of those things we'll never know, like Bill's claim to have written the JJF riff, either you believe him or you don't. Besides, it's like saying some of Keith songs were lifted from Chuck Berry. Keith probably had played hammered riffs with droning strings before, it's pretty common guitar technique but I think Micks use of it in the construction of MM was where the song was born and he it the one who did all the work to create it. Watching Keith playing this one on tour has only supported by opinion.

some of keith's songs were definitely lifted from Chuck Berry. and keith will be the first to admit to it.

Well he certainly didn't tell his publisher, lol. My comment was in regards to his claim that he had the Moonlight Mile riff and that Mick lifted it from him. If I recall it was not in the "inspired by" vein that Keith uses with reference to Berry but more of the "I actually wrote that" attitude which think is a bit of a stretch. And also to point out that those riffs Keith uses on IORR and other songs are cliche guitar phrases that are just as common in the guitarists toolbox as the hammered droning stuff Mick uses in MM.

I agree with maindefender that Crosseyed Heart better be good with all the PR. I think Keith must be proud of it in any case and I'm delighted he's putting anything out at this point. Bring it on!

you messed up the quotes again.

Again? Who's keeping track? LOL But thanks for pointing it out I just deleted the post since you've quoted it here with the correction.

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They are all Jagger Richards compositions
Moonlight Mile Lyrics about a head full of snow sounds keefy
Dead flowers has Keith singing and playing guitar
Sway has Keith's opening riff and general Stonsey sound to it
Come on your not telling me Keith has nothing to do with those songs

Maybe he was bombed out on smack when they did the final recordings, but who know's what inspiration Keith added to those songs

Maybe Keith cant remember having much to do with those songs, he is not in a position to argue really

One thing is for sure Mick Taylor can take a hell of a lot of credit for some songs but that's another matter for another day

hmm these are excellent points. in fact, i remember hearing somewhere that a keith riff (called "japanese thing" or something like that) was included in moonlight mile.

also, although it's likely true Jagger wrote most of "dead flowers", it's likely keith came up with most of his parts, just like although jagger 'wrote' most of SFTD keith came up with the whole guitar solo and the bass line, and we don't know who came up with the beat for the song.

however, i'm guessing that Naturalist got his info from his meetings with Keith in Mexico in the 80s (he also learned a lot about keith's marriage and sobriety strategies during these adventures)h and/or his regular interactions with the Taylor camp, so we probably shouldn't question him.

indeed, while one could argue that since Mick said in 2015 about Moonlight Mile that "Of course, some of the things we added later were there to enhance the mood we had come up with - like overdubbed guitars by Keith and Mick, Bill’s bass, Jimmy Price’s piano and Paul Buckmaster’s strings", it's very likely that Naturlist's info is better than Mick Jagger's. those times he and keith had together in Mexico were really memorable.

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Naturalust i would love to know Keith's sobriety strategies, would you be so kind as to share them please, plus i could use them

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Naturalust i would love to know Keith's sobriety strategies, would you be so kind as to share them please, plus i could use them

Only the purest and very finest of course and as far as alcohol goes, practice till you become a true professional with enough tolerance not to fall about and make a complete fool of yourself. It helps to have an huge bank account and a job where you don't have to get up till you damn well please.

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Naturalust i would love to know Keith's sobriety strategies, would you be so kind as to share them please, plus i could use them

Only the purest and very finest of course and as far as alcohol goes, practice till you become a true professional with enough tolerance not to fall about and make a complete fool of yourself. It helps to have an huge bank account and a job where you don't have to get up till you damn well please.

yes i might of guessed lol
I have been practising very hard for 33 years and i still haven't quite got the hang of it yet
Thanks for your response NL

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Pino Palladino, The Who's bass player.

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bye bye johnny

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Pino Palladino, The Who's bass player.

Pino's been friends with Steve Jordan for years.

He played with him in the John Mayer Trio, and worked with Steve and wife Meegan Voss' band The Verbs.

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert
I wonder why he played that particular song if it had nothing to do with Keith Or Gram Parsons
I heard that Parsons influenced Keith into country music
Looking at the clip below of Flowers with Keith really getting into it, just makes we wonder
Also the drug references like a needle and a spoon for instance seems to be more a line Keith would use in the song

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert
I wonder why he played that particular song if it had nothing to do with Keith Or Gram Parsons
I heard that Parsons influenced Keith into country music
Looking at the clip below of Flowers with Keith really getting into it, just makes we wonder
Also the drug references like a needle and a spoon for instance seems to be more a line Keith would use in the song

[www.youtube.com]

To be fair Gram probably influenced Mick a bit too....The closest we have to understanding the writing f this one is this 1971 quote from Mick, which doesn't really tell us if Keith was involved but surely insinuates Jagger put considerable time into it prior to recording it. (from timeisonourside)

Dead Flowers was all written before (we recorded it). I'd played it a hundred times at home.

- Mick Jagger, 1971

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert
I wonder why he played that particular song if it had nothing to do with Keith Or Gram Parsons
I heard that Parsons influenced Keith into country music
Looking at the clip below of Flowers with Keith really getting into it, just makes we wonder
Also the drug references like a needle and a spoon for instance seems to be more a line Keith would use in the song

[www.youtube.com]

To be fair Gram probably influenced Mick a bit too....The closest we have to understanding the writing f this one is this 1971 quote from Mick, which doesn't really tell us if Keith was involved but surely insinuates Jagger put considerable time into it prior to recording it. (from timeisonourside)

Dead Flowers was all written before (we recorded it). I'd played it a hundred times at home.

- Mick Jagger, 1971

I know Mick said that, but i just wondered what it sounded like i guess before Keith Keeferized it lol
When Mick and Keith used to share the mic stand to sing Flowers is really was something to behold
The way they harmonised on it was something else

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert
I wonder why he played that particular song if it had nothing to do with Keith Or Gram Parsons
I heard that Parsons influenced Keith into country music
Looking at the clip below of Flowers with Keith really getting into it, just makes we wonder
Also the drug references like a needle and a spoon for instance seems to be more a line Keith would use in the song

[www.youtube.com]

To be fair Gram probably influenced Mick a bit too....The closest we have to understanding the writing f this one is this 1971 quote from Mick, which doesn't really tell us if Keith was involved but surely insinuates Jagger put considerable time into it prior to recording it. (from timeisonourside)

Dead Flowers was all written before (we recorded it). I'd played it a hundred times at home.

- Mick Jagger, 1971

I know Mick said that, but i just wondered what it sounded like i guess before Keith Keeferized it lol
When Mick and Keith used to share the mic stand to sing Flowers is really was something to behold
The way they harmonised on it was something else

we'll never know. i think the example of SFTD is a good one, naturalist and i discussed it above. mick clearly says "i wrote it" but you can see in the movie (which you must see if you haven't) that the song was pretty half-baked when mick brought it to the band, and you can see keith (and others) working his butt off to turn it into everything it ended up being.

when mick says "i wrote it" i think that mostly means the lyrics and the melody of the vocal. leaves lots of room for others to have impacted it in a huge way.

generally speaking, in my view keith is the main songwriter in the band.

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you guys are so far off topic its sad.

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you guys are so far off topic its sad.

is that bad?

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"Several songs offer up big Stones-like rockers with beefy grooves and tasty guitar work, which is probably what most listeners look for in a Richards album"

Exactly!

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert

[www.youtube.com]

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sorry to go back to last nights debate about Dead Flowers not having anything to do with Keith
It just came to mind that Keith chose to play that song at the Gram Parsons Tribute concert

[www.youtube.com]

That rendition of Dead Flowers is from a Willie Nelson & Friends show in 2002.
The Gram Parsons Tribute Show was in 2004. Keith played on Love Hurts, Hickory Wind,
In My Hour of Darkness and Wild Horses.