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DandelionPowderman
Stealing My Heart was worse
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Come On
but the guitar-sound is indeed good and raw Dandy!
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DandelionPowderman
The guitar sound was still there + the studio, of course
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Come On
but the guitar-sound is indeed good and raw Dandy!
"One Hit", and DIRTY WORK altogether, is a good argument that a good guitar sound, or even a good guitar playing, is not enough to make great music. It needs more. The Stones, if any guitar-driven rock and roll band, has understood this better than no one else.
- Doxa
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howled
1972 is when the Stones start losing it.
Money and Mick and Keith going different ways by 1972.
Some Girls is a trend following album and so is this, it's just that the trends had changed to 80s rock.
It's like listening to INXS trying to do an average Stones song.
Mick's solo stuff was just following whatever trend he could have a go at that was in at the time.
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howled
1972 is when the Stones start losing it.
Money and Mick and Keith going different ways by 1972.
Some Girls is a trend following album and so is this, it's just that the trends had changed to 80s rock.
It's like listening to INXS trying to do an average Stones song.
Mick's solo stuff was just following whatever trend he could have a go at that was in at the time.
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DandelionPowderman
The guitar sound was still there + the studio, of course
If this was directed to my Pathe Marconi-point, let me make some clarifications. For me, the "Pathe Marconi era" or "SOME GIRLS era" (from SOME GIRLS to UNDERCOVER) does not solely mean some particular guitar sound or a studio, but what was done with those/there. It is a typical, cohesive sound of the band, the "groove" of the guitars and the damn hot rhythm section, very much based on jamming live in studio, and endless process of editing the recorded material, which constituted that sound (this doesn't mean that they haven't used that method ever since, for example, during VOODOO LOUNGE sessions, but something was gone by then, probably the band "feel" and some work ethics). I don't think the Stones have been so organic unit as a band as they then were in those (originally) creative Pathe Marconi days. (Okay, before His Majesty says anything, maybe their early studio days were something similar).
So "One Hit" does not sound any longer of that band. The typical "breathness" and tasty collective jungle of tracks and instruments, that beautiful chaotic wholeness, is gone and replaced by so water-tight arrangement and presentation of tracks. So damn typical mid-80's rock sound-like. In Keith's vocabulary, it "rocks", but not "rolls". For me there lacks the typical Pathe Marconi-feel, that natural, wild, spontanious drive in music. I don't know how much that was intentional, or did they simply grew out of their late 70's/early 80's sound and ways of working - seemingly Jagger had already got fed up with it (as he has with the way the Stones played live). Of course, the fact that the band didn't any longer spend time in studio together as much as earlier might have something to do that the "band feel" was not so present any longer.
I don't think the "traditional" features in "One Hit" do not exactly point to Pathe Marconi era, but actually to more far back. With that I think it is nothing but Keith's main riff which makes it especially "Stonesy" sounding like. The "forced" feel of the song - even that pointed out riff - makes it to my ears more cousin to, say, "If You Can't Rock Me" than to, say, SOME GIRLS era material.
- Doxa
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Spud
...so ever since then the the object of the exercise has simply been to make music that sounds like the Rolling Stones.
Not all bad though ...and they do still manage that bit quite well
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Doxa
Yes, it is, Dandie.
Just answering...
- Doxa
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howled
1972 is when the Stones start losing it.
Money and Mick and Keith going different ways by 1972.
Some Girls is a trend following album and so is this, it's just that the trends had changed to 80s rock.
It's like listening to INXS trying to do an average Stones song.
Mick's solo stuff was just following whatever trend he could have a go at that was in at the time.
I generally agree here, but "following a trend" isn't a bad thing an sich. The question is that how 'good', that is, natural, convincing the results are. in a way, the Stones have always been following the trends, even as far as in the very beginning they had an idea of a band and to start playing publicly they were following a cult trend in London, even though being the first act of that blues scene to make an impact in national level (and thereby being a trend leaders in many ways). But since the Stones made got their feet on stardom, they were very much keep on eye what's happening in music world, first mostly in current American black music, but then a bit later what was happening in their homeground, most notably by the Beatles. Of course, it is hard to say who did what first, and who just followed, because the trends were changing quickly and it was 'in the air' (psychedelia, etc.). They 'all' were a part of the movemnent. But for example, the "return" to more blues and guitar based rock and roll material, and having an ace guitarist in the band, by the end of the 60's was also "following a trend".
Surely as the 70's went further, the more "lost" the Stones were with the current things and younger artists, but still you can find glam rock, funk, etc. influences in their music. So, in a way, SOME GIRLS, with its punk push, was nothing novel to them. But probably then, for the very first time, one can really hear how there is a clear gap between the hot thing of the day and the yesterday's band's reflection of it. But I don't think, for example, Mick Jagger was thinking he is now doing something different than what he had done earlier. Perhaps "we" did, because it looked so obvious.
But what happened during the 80's was that the results of Jagger (AND the Stones) trying to adapt latest trends weren't any longer convincing (unlike with, say, SOME GIRLS). The old method of success just didn't work any longer.
- Doxa