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And how is it possible that this track, a staggeringly advanced achievement for a 1967 pop recording, got left off the Notorious Byrd Brothers LP and remained unreleased for 20 years?
well jefferson airplane released a version in 1968 on CROWN OF CREATION and there is a live version on CSNY FOUR WAY STREET from 1971
Neither of which existed at the time Notorious was released. It would have been the stand-out track on an already brilliant album. Admittedly, it doesn't really fit in all that well with the other tracks on the album. Crosby's stuff never really did, but so what? Who leaves off the best track on the album?
i was only pointing it out because you said the song was unreleased for over 20 years. the byrds version yes but the song was out there. crosby was not in the band by the time notorious was released so they probably made sure to cut some crosby stuff and just picked a track
Come to think of it, there really aren't any Crosby lead vocals on that album. Even on the songs he wrote, the vocals that are there are mixed very low and have a sort of "ghostly" sound, so, yeah, maybe they didn't want a guy who was no longer in the group to have too much of a presence on their new album. It could also be that he asked them to leave "Triad" off, thinking he might want to use it on a solo album or something. The other theory, of course, is that the song's subject matter wasn't in keeping with Roger's new-found love of the Christian life.
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"I'm happy with the Byrds as a good memory," he tells Rolling Stone. "David and I have talked about this at length, and to me a reunion would just be for the money. We'd go out and play some sheds, maybe gross a couple of million dollars and split it four or five ways. I'm not attracted to expensive things. I don't need a Ferrari or anything like that."
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"I'm happy with the Byrds as a good memory," he tells Rolling Stone. "David and I have talked about this at length, and to me a reunion would just be for the money. We'd go out and play some sheds, maybe gross a couple of million dollars and split it four or five ways. I'm not attracted to expensive things. I don't need a Ferrari or anything like that."
Good for McGuinn. I am impressed.
I don't blame musicians who get back together for the bucks--they have to eat like everyone else--but I really admire McGuinn for not doing this.
"I'm not attracted to expensive things."
Now that is an artist.
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"I'm happy with the Byrds as a good memory," he tells Rolling Stone. "David and I have talked about this at length, and to me a reunion would just be for the money. We'd go out and play some sheds, maybe gross a couple of million dollars and split it four or five ways. I'm not attracted to expensive things. I don't need a Ferrari or anything like that."
Good for McGuinn. I am impressed.
I don't blame musicians who get back together for the bucks--they have to eat like everyone else--but I really admire McGuinn for not doing this.
"I'm not attracted to expensive things."
Now that is an artist.
He's an artist, alright, but for once I wish he'd be more of an entertainer and give his fans one final treat before it's too late. I like the idea Crosby had a few years ago, which was for the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield to go out together on a co-headlining tour. I can see why Roger would hate that idea, as it would end up being more of a CSNY thing than a Byrds thing, but there must be some way Crosby can pitch it to Roger that he would find agreeable. Maybe do it as a tribute to Gene Clark? I don't know. As someone said, without Gene, it probably wouldn't be all that great anyway. The closest I ever got to seeing the Byrds, a full-on electric McGuinn-Hillman show in 1981, was surprisingly sloppy and lacking in energy. I've seen solo acoustic Roger McGuinn shows that were actually far more enjoyable, and that's probably always going to be the best way for a Byrds fan to hear Byrds music performed live. Chris Hillman, who I saw just a few weeks ago, also puts on a very enjoyable show, if Eight Miles High performed on a mandolin is your cup of tea.
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At this stage of the game, they could only play 1,000-seat places, maybe less, and only a handful of gigs.
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At this stage of the game, they could only play 1,000-seat places, maybe less, and only a handful of gigs.
No, like Roger said, it would be a tour of summer "sheds" (outdoor amphitheaters). Eric Burdon is playing one near me tomorrow that seats 7200, and that's just Eric, not an "Animals" concert (though I think he still brings Hilton Valentine along for the ride). The Byrds could definitely fill places like that if the prices were right and they had the remnants of a couple good oldies bands as opening acts. (Eric's got Rare Earth and Brownsville Station.)
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I like the idea Crosby had a few years ago, which was for the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield to go out together on a co-headlining tour. I can see why Roger would hate that idea, as it would end up being more of a CSNY thing
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I like the idea Crosby had a few years ago, which was for the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield to go out together on a co-headlining tour. I can see why Roger would hate that idea, as it would end up being more of a CSNY thing
That idea was first floated 40 years ago when the Byrds recorded their reunion album on Asylum. A stadium show with the Springfield and the Byrds, ending with CSNY.
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The whole Manassas band is still alive...including Bill Wyman.
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The whole Manassas band is still alive...including Bill Wyman.
i think wyman only played on a handful of songs if tat. i thought it was just 1
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I don't think there is much money in a Byrds reunion. Seems like Roger knows this too because he always touring as a very Byrds oriented act. He would have an idea what the demand for Byrds is.
The time to make some good Byrds reunion money was 10-20 years ago.Touring, issuing a live tour record and DVD etc etc
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Creedence Clearwater Revisited came to a county fair just down the road from me recently and I had no desire whatsoever to go. John was and still is the band.
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Come to think of it, there really aren't any Crosby lead vocals on that album. Even on the songs he wrote, the vocals that are there are mixed very low and have a sort of "ghostly" sound, so, yeah, maybe they didn't want a guy who was no longer in the group to have too much of a presence on their new album. It could also be that he asked them to leave "Triad" off, thinking he might want to use it on a solo album or something. The other theory, of course, is that the song's subject matter wasn't in keeping with Roger's new-found love of the Christian life.
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Here's something really fascinating. It's a hidden bonus track at the very end of the remastered Notorious CD, and it captures the sounds of the original lineup coming apart at the seams. Crosby and Clarke were both fired within weeks of this session, leaving McGuinn and Hillman as the only remaining original members.
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Where was Dave Crosby for the 15th anniversary when McGuinn, Clark, and Hillman reformed to record an entire album, which yielded the top 40 single Don't You Write Her Off in 1979?
That project had no Dave Crosby and why should it? It was not an attempted Byrds reunion. When I saw just McGuinn and Clark touring right after that, they played that great tune. At the Paradise, Commonwealth Avenue, Boston. Was just them and their guitars. Gene Clark sipping green bottle Heinekens (Becks and St Paulie Girl were always better) But all rockers seemed to drink Heineken
One of the best (was very close intimate) I ever went too
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Here's something really fascinating. It's a hidden bonus track at the very end of the remastered Notorious CD, and it captures the sounds of the original lineup coming apart at the seams. Crosby and Clarke were both fired within weeks of this session, leaving McGuinn and Hillman as the only remaining original members.
I've got that cd, remember listening to that part. It's a pretty nice surprise, but not sure who are the speakers. It seems McGuinn and at last one of other person are getting on Clarke's case, and Clarke threatening to leave (only reason he's there at all is the name recognition of the Byrds).
Anyway, I like that Byrds album (pretty varied).
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Where was Dave Crosby for the 15th anniversary when McGuinn, Clark, and Hillman reformed to record an entire album, which yielded the top 40 single Don't You Write Her Off in 1979?
That project had no Dave Crosby and why should it? It was not an attempted Byrds reunion. When I saw just McGuinn and Clark touring right after that, they played that great tune. At the Paradise, Commonwealth Avenue, Boston. Was just them and their guitars. Gene Clark sipping green bottle Heinekens (Becks and St Paulie Girl were always better) But all rockers seemed to drink Heineken
One of the best (was very close intimate) I ever went too
I also saw McGuinn, Clark and Hilman in 79 and, indeed, it was one of the best shows I've ever seen. That LP was very good and they played all the Byrds tunes.