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OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 13, 2013 07:40

Treated by an oral surgeon today in the US who trained in Europe. He advised me to drink something carbonated with painkillers as the carbonation releases the opiate. Seems to work. All of us will require some sort of surgery and painkillers in our lifetimes. Anybody familiar with this practice? Had never heard it previously. winking smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: August 13, 2013 09:45

I'm not sure this is a good idea. However, he is a licensed doctor and suspect he knows his business. I was told the opposite some years ago when a friend witnessed me drinking coke while taking aspirin. He claimed it caused veins to pop. On the other hand maybe there are new disocoveries as always. Perhaps someday they'll claim fast food is healthy, ha-ha.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: stonehearted ()
Date: August 13, 2013 10:12

I'm no doctor, and I don't play one on TV--hell, I don't even own a TV--but lemme tell you, when it comes to opiates nothing complements your medication better than a good spliffy. I had some tooth trouble a while back, back when they still had Percocets on the market, and I just wanna say what a winning combination that was.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Date: August 13, 2013 12:22

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frankotero
I'm not sure this is a good idea. However, he is a licensed doctor and suspect he knows his business. I was told the opposite some years ago when a friend witnessed me drinking coke while taking aspirin. He claimed it caused veins to pop. On the other hand maybe there are new disocoveries as always. Perhaps someday they'll claim fast food is healthy, ha-ha.

That's the caffeine, not the carbonation in itself, that he had in mind, I guess...

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: Rokyfan ()
Date: August 13, 2013 16:16

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stonehearted
I'm no doctor, and I don't play one on TV--hell, I don't even own a TV--but lemme tell you, when it comes to opiates nothing complements your medication better than a good spliffy. I had some tooth trouble a while back, back when they still had Percocets on the market, and I just wanna say what a winning combination that was.
no joke. Best combo since peanut butter and jelly. Gives a nice jump start and takes the nausea element out of the percocet.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: leteyer ()
Date: August 13, 2013 16:22

Never heard aboutsuch thing.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: Title5Take1 ()
Date: August 13, 2013 16:35

It's not OT, Keith would probably know...

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: MingSubu ()
Date: August 13, 2013 17:18

Drink some grapefruit juice about a half hour before you pop your pills.

The citric acid pushes the hydrocodone against your stomach wall. Which means more absorbed.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: mr_dja ()
Date: August 13, 2013 17:51

Interesting... I know that Alka-Seltzer has been claiming the benefits of their "bubbles" for years but I've never really thought about why. I guess I always thought that it had something to do with the friction caused by the carbonation causing the "pills" to dissolve faster and thus the medicine was being delivered as a liquid rather than solid and be absorbed into your system faster. Possibly this is what your doctor was trying to cause for you. I also know that certain medications come with warnings not to break or chew the tablet as that can cause the medicine to be absorbed by your system to quickly.

Although I've never heard of the carbonation effect, I can see some logic. Interesting points made above about the combination of asprin & caffine... Who knows how many asprin I've washed down with coffee "the morning after" over the years.

My final thought: If you trust your doctor enough to perform surgery on your mouth, you can probably trust his insights on taking the medicine.

Good luck with your recovery! Hopefully this new "insight" sppeds the process along a little faster than otherwise!

Peace,
Mr DJA

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: August 13, 2013 18:38

I reckon it depends what painkiller you're using. I've been told the opposite about normal OTC stuff -
not that it causes "veins to pop" like someone above, but that it reduces the effectiveness of the drug.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: MILKYWAY ()
Date: August 13, 2013 18:50

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stonehearted
I'm no doctor, and I don't play one on TV--hell, I don't even own a TV--but lemme tell you, when it comes to opiates nothing complements your medication better than a good spliffy. I had some tooth trouble a while back, back when they still had Percocets on the market, and I just wanna say what a winning combination that was.

Huh? It's off the market? Or are you saying at one point they were OTC?


Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: August 13, 2013 19:36

The carbonation helps dissolve the time release coating on the opiate. Another way around it is to chew the tablets, but be very cautious with that, as it will hit you pretty fast and hard.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: stonehearted ()
Date: August 13, 2013 20:37

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MILKYWAY
Quote
stonehearted
I'm no doctor, and I don't play one on TV--hell, I don't even own a TV--but lemme tell you, when it comes to opiates nothing complements your medication better than a good spliffy. I had some tooth trouble a while back, back when they still had Percocets on the market, and I just wanna say what a winning combination that was.

Huh? It's off the market? Or are you saying at one point they were OTC?

The last I heard, Percocet had been discontinued and was no longer being manufactured. It certainly was what the U.S. Food and Drug Administration was considering:

[www.withdrawal-ease.com]

But it appears that it is still on the market--and by that I don't mean OTC, just that it is being manufactured and is available, and apparently it still is. Manufacturers have been given a time frame to reduce the potency of their products.

[www.nytimes.com]

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: Bellajane ()
Date: August 13, 2013 21:18

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MingSubu
Drink some grapefruit juice about a half hour before you pop your pills.

The citric acid pushes the hydrocodone against your stomach wall. Which means more absorbed.

I'd be careful with this, drinking grapefruit juice with medications can be very dangerous, either causing them to metabolize too quickly or slowly depending upon the medication. That's according to the Mayo Clinic, plus I've heard this many times before. Best to take your doctor's advice or check with a pharmacist.

Not medication-related, is it true if you put Mentos in Coca Cola there's an explosion? Never tried it myself, but it's suppose to be true.grinning smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: August 13, 2013 21:27

Quote
owlbynite
Treated by an oral surgeon today in the US who trained in Europe. He advised me to drink something carbonated with painkillers as the carbonation releases the opiate. Seems to work. All of us will require some sort of surgery and painkillers in our lifetimes. Anybody familiar with this practice? Had never heard it previously. winking smiley

I hope you brought enough for everybody grinning smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: MILKYWAY ()
Date: August 13, 2013 21:44

Quote
stonehearted

The last I heard, Percocet had been discontinued and was no longer being manufactured. It certainly was what the U.S. Food and Drug Administration was considering:

[www.withdrawal-ease.com]

But it appears that it is still on the market--and by that I don't mean OTC, just that it is being manufactured and is available, and apparently it still is. Manufacturers have been given a time frame to reduce the potency of their products.

[www.nytimes.com]

Strange that percocet was being yanked because of people ODing on the acetaminophen and not because of the oxycodone.

That acetaminophen will mess you up.


Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: mr_dja ()
Date: August 13, 2013 22:07

Quote
Bellajane

Not medication-related, is it true if you put Mentos in Coca Cola there's an explosion? Never tried it myself, but it's suppose to be true.grinning smiley

Do a google search for Mentos and Coke Experiment... All over the web... Pretty funny... I just can't post anything from here at the office.

Peace,
Mr DJA

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: Des ()
Date: August 13, 2013 23:05

You ask for medical advice on a fan site? Hell I dated a national pain specialist and I am am smarter than putting my two cents in. But sounds like some good direction with GF juice, Mento's, Coke.......(lol)

What I will say is that the specific side effects of pain killers are well documented, the method of delivery is not an issue to my experience or they would be part of the warnings like alcohol or the GF juice. On the safe side however who the heck knows about what you can mix things with these days, studies change daily.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 15, 2013 11:27

Quote
mr_dja
Interesting... I know that Alka-Seltzer has been claiming the benefits of their "bubbles" for years but I've never really thought about why. I guess I always thought that it had something to do with the friction caused by the carbonation causing the "pills" to dissolve faster and thus the medicine was being delivered as a liquid rather than solid and be absorbed into your system faster. Possibly this is what your doctor was trying to cause for you. I also know that certain medications come with warnings not to break or chew the tablet as that can cause the medicine to be absorbed by your system to quickly.

Although I've never heard of the carbonation effect, I can see some logic. Interesting points made above about the combination of asprin & caffine... Who knows how many asprin I've washed down with coffee "the morning after" over the years.

My final thought: If you trust your doctor enough to perform surgery on your mouth, you can probably trust his insights on taking the medicine.

Good luck with your recovery! Hopefully this new "insight" sppeds the process along a little faster than otherwise!

Peace,
Mr DJA

Thanks, he does seem to know his craft. cool smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 15, 2013 11:28

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with sssoul
I reckon it depends what painkiller you're using. I've been told the opposite about normal OTC stuff -
not that it causes "veins to pop" like someone above, but that it reduces the effectiveness of the drug.
oxycontin cool smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 15, 2013 11:30

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Max'sKansasCity
Quote
owlbynite
Treated by an oral surgeon today in the US who trained in Europe. He advised me to drink something carbonated with painkillers as the carbonation releases the opiate. Seems to work. All of us will require some sort of surgery and painkillers in our lifetimes. Anybody familiar with this practice? Had never heard it previously. winking smiley

I hope you brought enough for everybody grinning smiley
sorry, going fast! smoking smiley

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 15, 2013 11:32

Quote
Des
You ask for medical advice on a fan site? Hell I dated a national pain specialist and I am am smarter than putting my two cents in. But sounds like some good direction with GF juice, Mento's, Coke.......(lol)

What I will say is that the specific side effects of pain killers are well documented, the method of delivery is not an issue to my experience or they would be part of the warnings like alcohol or the GF juice. On the safe side however who the heck knows about what you can mix things with these days, studies change daily.

I did not ask for medical advice. Only if anyone else knows of this practice.spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: NoCode0680 ()
Date: August 15, 2013 12:49

I've never heard of this, but I'm a pretty big soda drinker and I've been on painkillers before, so I know I've inadvertently had the combo. In fact I've had a nurse bring me a soda while hooked up to a morphine drip. I can't tell you whether or not it worked better or anything, I didn't notice, but I know it didn't kill me or anything. If there were a problem I would imagine painkillers would all have a "Do Not Drink Soda" warning with it or something, like they do with alcohol.

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: kristian ()
Date: August 15, 2013 18:53

I am an MD with European training.
There is more magic than truth, but anyway, also a slight amount of truth in his advice. In the end, the result is just the same. It works a bit faster, but you wouldn´t have noticed it hadn´t he "warned" you.
Hope your teeth are just fine!

Re: OT-European Medical Training & Painkillers
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: August 16, 2013 07:39

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kristian
I am an MD with European training.
There is more magic than truth, but anyway, also a slight amount of truth in his advice. In the end, the result is just the same. It works a bit faster, but you wouldn´t have noticed it hadn´t he "warned" you.
Hope your teeth are just fine!

thanks, knew there was somebody with training out there! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out



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