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varilla
Did he use UFIP all his life?
Since when did he adopted the china crash?
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Carnaby
That all started in the 80's. Story is that Charlie found the 16" UFIP flat top ride in a music store in Paris. Charlie used the 20" China in the early 80's and late 70's on Emotional Rescue, not sure if the 20" was a UFIP. By the time of Steel Wheels, he was using an UFIP 18" China. The China now on his far right with the rivets, possibly the one once used on the B Stage, most likely isn't a UFIP, just a hunch. He uses that 20" with the rivets with his jazz groups also. Richard King at Kings Music in Annapolis is the one to ask about all this. If you want what Charlie has, he'll find it for you, right down to the correct year. [www.kingsmusicusa.com]
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GasLightStreet
Here's this bit from a recent publishing...
I use a ’57 round badge natural maple wood Gretsch with The Stones. And with this and most of my jazz things I use a 1960 round badge, black, small kit. The Tony Williams, I call it. It’s the one Tony used. It was like his signature drum kit when he was with Miles. And that’s why I play it, because of him, really. And in Europe when I play I use a 1940 Radio King set with a big 24" bass drum, and huge tom toms. That’s because Axel’s brother is a drummer, and I borrow his drum kit. I have one too, actually, but I usually use his in Europe. And when I play in clubs in England and when I’m in New York I probably use a round badge Gretsch from the ’60s.
[www.drummagazine.com]
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Mathijs
UFIP Pro Cussion B8 18" flat ride from the mid to late 60's, found in Paris in 1978/1979, used until 2012 when it cracked. Replacement was found, and replicas where made by Zildjian.
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UFIP Pro Cussion B8 18" flat ride from the mid to late 60's, found in Paris in 1978/1979, used until 2012 when it cracked. Replacement was found, and replicas where made by Zildjian.
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Everyone, myself included, thought that is a 18" flat top ride. It isn't, it is a 16". Look closely at photos. The current China is 18".
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UFIP Pro Cussion B8 18" flat ride from the mid to late 60's, found in Paris in 1978/1979, used until 2012 when it cracked. Replacement was found, and replicas where made by Zildjian.
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Everyone, myself included, thought that is a 18" flat top ride. It isn't, it is a 16". Look closely at photos. The current China is 18".
The guy who sent his UFIP flat ride to Watts after it had split last year states it is a 18", as does Zildjian, who made the replicas. I thought the China is 20".
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UFIP Pro Cussion B8 18" flat ride from the mid to late 60's, found in Paris in 1978/1979, used until 2012 when it cracked. Replacement was found, and replicas where made by Zildjian.
Mathijs
Everyone, myself included, thought that is a 18" flat top ride. It isn't, it is a 16". Look closely at photos. The current China is 18".
The guy who sent his UFIP flat ride to Watts after it had split last year states it is a 18", as does Zildjian, who made the replicas. I thought the China is 20".
Mathijs
Everyone thinks that. The flat ride is a 16". Since Steel Wheels it has been a 18" China. In the movie LSTNT he was using a 20" China.
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bailey
Carnaby - I had a very close look at that flat ride at an a,b,c & d gig a few years ago. I can tell you for sure the cymbal I saw at that time was, as you say, a 16. It had no stamp on it, but yes, widely accepted as a Ufip.
Now - the plot thickens because this advert recently appeared on ebay; (Interesting read)
[www.ebay.co.uk]
Apparently, so the story goes - Ufip made 2 18's and 2 20" , flat rides, for Charlie to try. He liked both sizes and kept one of each. It could be that he uses one of those 18" flat rides now ???
I don't know where Mathijs gets his information from, but that flat ride does not have a Zildjian stamp.
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varilla
Where does Charlie keeps all his gear? Does he have a drum kit at home?
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Palace Revolution 2000
I'm probably in the minority, but I much prefer Charlie PRE-China crash. The cymbal crash sound itself, prominent on the ER album. But it sort of seemed to change his overall playing, the sound coming from his drums.
And it is baffling when listening to Charlie speak of music, and drums, and what he himself cherishes; smoothness and style. There is something very harsh about a China Crash.
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varilla
Where does Charlie keeps all his gear? Does he have a drum kit at home?
I seem to remember reading a bit from Charlie some years ago where he was talking about his dislike of touring, and he said something like: "If I want to play my drums, I have to go on the road with the band. I can't play them at home." The Stones used to have a facility in London (Bermondsey, I think) where they stored gear. Not sure if that's still the case.
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I'm probably in the minority, but I much prefer Charlie PRE-China crash. The cymbal crash sound itself, prominent on the ER album. But it sort of seemed to change his overall playing, the sound coming from his drums.
And it is baffling when listening to Charlie speak of music, and drums, and what he himself cherishes; smoothness and style. There is something very harsh about a China Crash.
It's a bit interesting, regarding the China crash, going from BLACK AND BLUE (the last LP without any China crash) through UNDERCOVER (the first LP with all China crash) because it's only on 2 SOME GIRLS tracks (Some Girls, Respectable - it's not on any of the SG DELUXE tracks), all of the EMOTIONAL RESCUE tracks (except the title track - no cymbals, just hi-hat flares - extreme reduced playing! And just a few clean crash and ride cymbal taps on All About You) including all versions of Dance and Tallahassee Lassie, and from the sound of it, he hits it once on Let Me Go and he hits it once in on Indian Girl - lots of hi-hat flares.
A LOT of hi-hat flares all over EMOTIONAL RESCUE.
TATOO YOU - it's only on Hang Fire, Neighbours and, although it sounds like it was tapped on for Heaven, it's impossible to tell if it's on No Use In Crying since Charlie is playing minimally with hi-hat flares on that one (another ER leftover), so 3 TY tracks for certain.
It's not on Little T&A, which can suggest its bottom is from the front portion of the SOME GIRLS sessions, with some guitar overdubs during the SG sessions - obviously it was worked on in 1979.
So whenever the latter portion of the SG sessions was, I'm guessing early 1978, and through the 1979 band recordings, Charlie didn't use it a whole lot, and only truly started using it in 1982 for the U sessions.