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paulspendel
No. Jody Klein does not have to pay royalties to any of the Stones for the Sixties recordings. He owns all the rights.
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paulspendel
No. Jody Klein does not have to pay royalties to any of the Stones for the Sixties recordings. He owns all the rights.
With all due respect, that can't be right.
Very few musicians own the rights to their old (or first) recordings. The Beatles don't, never have. Its EMI (now owned by Universal I think). But all the Beatles product generates income for the surviving two and the widows. And still a very very good income.
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paulspendel
The Brian Jones estate is handled by an Oxford accountant. Brian's parents died in 2009/2011. His sister Barbara receives around 15000 pounds a year from air play royalties.
.....and £xxx per annum from ABKCO for his share of record royalties presumably?
Any idea why his (Five ?) children did/do not receive all royalties instead of his parents and now sister Barbara?
jlowe - what was the source for the info on Brian debts (£160k)? Any breakdown on this figure, that's a lot of money in 1969. I remember the story from a few years ago that a local store in his town was finally paid in full (40+ years late)...
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chatoyancy
I heard that Brian was not a good songwriter but he did write a song called "Has Anybody Seen My Baby". Funny that Mick wrote a song with a similar title.
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wonderboy
Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
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This is something of a tangent, but it never occurred to me before that the two people who put the band together in the first place were both fired from it. That band is quite strange in so many ways.
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Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
I don't think so.
Brian wasn't happy with the musical direction the Stones were going, and the Stones-Keith for that matter- wanted to play with another full-time all-round guitar playing musician.
So Taylor was the right guy at the right time.
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chatoyancy
It is said that Brian didn't like the pop songs, yet he did contribute to the Rice Krispies jingle the Stones wrote. Rice Krispies literally has "pop" in its slogan. "Snap crackle pop". Do you hear a hint of blues in their jingle?
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From4tilLate
I'm sorry but I can't see Brian getting a 100,000 pound lump sum from the Stones. That's just a story from the Sanchez book, I think. I don't think the Stones could have gotten their hands on that kind of ready cash, and if they could have, I don't see Jagger and company parting with that kind of money for Brian or anyone else. I see what Wyman is quoted as saying but I'm skeptical he even really said it. Now seeing how I wasn't there, I don't know, but I'm betting that the Jones estate ever got a penny of that lump sum, if it was ever agreed upon to begin with.
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Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
I don't think so.
Brian wasn't happy with the musical direction the Stones were going, and the Stones-Keith for that matter- wanted to play with another full-time all-round guitar playing musician.
So Taylor was the right guy at the right time.
Brian was happy with Child Of The Moon and eventually very happy with JJF. He also played on You Got The Silver and MR + many BB-songs.
I don't think we can say he was unhappy with the band's musical direction.
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Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
I don't think so.
Brian wasn't happy with the musical direction the Stones were going, and the Stones-Keith for that matter- wanted to play with another full-time all-round guitar playing musician.
So Taylor was the right guy at the right time.
Brian was happy with Child Of The Moon and eventually very happy with JJF. He also played on You Got The Silver and MR + many BB-songs.
I don't think we can say he was unhappy with the band's musical direction.
If I remember it well that were Brian's own words, and frankly I forgot where I read it, but I did. Fact is that Keith also stated that Brian slowly lost his appetite for playing the guitar from 1966 and onwards. We all know that Keith preferred a 2 guitar sound,-he didn't like to be the only guitarist- playing Blues& Rock with a bit flashy style (for the standards at that time) cause that type of music was in demand in the late 6-tees and seventies. So Brian was' not an option anymore, both musically and mentally I'm afraid. At least that's my take on it.
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wonderboy
Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
I don't think so.
Brian wasn't happy with the musical direction the Stones were going, and the Stones-Keith for that matter- wanted to play with another full-time all-round guitar playing musician.
So Taylor was the right guy at the right time.
Brian was happy with Child Of The Moon and eventually very happy with JJF. He also played on You Got The Silver and MR + many BB-songs.
I don't think we can say he was unhappy with the band's musical direction.
If I remember it well that were Brian's own words, and frankly I forgot where I read it, but I did. Fact is that Keith also stated that Brian slowly lost his appetite for playing the guitar from 1966 and onwards. We all know that Keith preferred a 2 guitar sound,-he didn't like to be the only guitarist- playing Blues& Rock with a bit flashy style (for the standards at that time) cause that type of music was in demand in the late 6-tees and seventies. So Brian was' not an option anymore, both musically and mentally I'm afraid. At least that's my take on it.
Okay, we're talking about two different things, then
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wonderboy
Did they consider keeping him in the band, just hiring Mick Taylor to go out on the road and telling Brian, 'when you're together again come into the studio with us when we get back.'
Maybe contractually he would have been entitled to a fifth of their touring/future revenue unless they fired him.
Also it was that all-for-one, one-for-all thinking where the band was defined almost as a family unit. You couldn't do it part-time, like some later bands were set up.
I don't think so.
Brian wasn't happy with the musical direction the Stones were going, and the Stones-Keith for that matter- wanted to play with another full-time all-round guitar playing musician.
So Taylor was the right guy at the right time.
Brian was happy with Child Of The Moon and eventually very happy with JJF. He also played on You Got The Silver and MR + many BB-songs.
I don't think we can say he was unhappy with the band's musical direction.
If I remember it well that were Brian's own words, and frankly I forgot where I read it, but I did. Fact is that Keith also stated that Brian slowly lost his appetite for playing the guitar from 1966 and onwards. We all know that Keith preferred a 2 guitar sound,-he didn't like to be the only guitarist- playing Blues& Rock with a bit flashy style (for the standards at that time) cause that type of music was in demand in the late 6-tees and seventies. So Brian was' not an option anymore, both musically and mentally I'm afraid. At least that's my take on it.
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TheflyingDutchman
I'm not stating that Brian was sacked because the Stones needed a more flashy player. He was sacked because he wasn't functioning anymore. Let that be crystal clear.
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TheflyingDutchman
I'm not stating that Brian was sacked because the Stones needed a more flashy player. He was sacked because he wasn't functioning anymore. Let that be crystal clear.
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That is a fact. But Brian being unhappy with the band's music in 1968 and 1969, shortly before he was sacked, sounds more speculative than factual to me.
He did say something about not being happy with their pop-period earlier, though, if memory serves.
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Jones 7 years, Taylor 5 years, Wood 37 years. What's Ron's secret?
Lil correction.
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Jones 7 years, Taylor 5 years, Wood 37 years. What's Ron's secret?