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Also, is the Stones 'Ruby Tuesday' for example, psychedelic?
No, Ruby Tuesday belongs to that late '65 to early '67 period where everything was particularly English in composition and theme.
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Now, tell me why Walter, Wicked Annabelle and the bridge in the otherwise reggae-flavoured Monica aren´t psychedelia.
Here's why: Because in Ray's own words, "Really, I'm quite a traditionalist".
Here's an observation from someone (Jason Gross) online:
Other than the eye-popping cover and centerfold, Ray's only flirting with psychedelic music was a run-in with the cat from ALICE IN WONDERLAND and a "wicked witch" but these were more little kid's games than freaked-out turn-on's.
Full review of VGPS and other Kinks albums at: [www.furious.com]
I know that, I´ve been listening to this album for a long time now - as well as reading everything I can come over about it.
But what happens when YOU listen to the music - for instance to Wicked Annabelle?
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I was referring more to the sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll culture in 68, instigated chiefly by the hippies, Dandelion, as opposed to the psychedelic summer of love in 1967, which again was very much the hippy counterculure reaction to what was going on around them. Either way, THE VILLAGE GREEN PRESERVATION SOCIETY, is too simplistic in its longing for old fashioned values, and its themes of nostalgia and loss of innocence, to be influenced overtly by psychedelia, certainly lyrically, and perhaps musically. It is interesting, what you have brought up, however, Dandelion, as to what the true relationship is between 60s music hall influenced pop and psychedelia, because both the Beatles SGT PEPPER and the Stones SATANIC MAJESTIES, contain strong elements of both. Is for example 'When I'm 64' and 'On With The Show' psychedelic? I would say not, despite standing alongside more psychedelically inspired tracks. In a sense, i do see your point. However, my definition of psychedelia has always been that it is music and/or lyrics that are drug influenced. 'Armenia City In The Sky' and 'I Can See For Miles' by the Who, i would say, definitely are, if also large portions of THE WHO SELL OUT are not. Also, is the Stones 'Ruby Tuesday' for example, psychedelic?
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I was referring more to the sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll culture in 68, instigated chiefly by the hippies, Dandelion, as opposed to the psychedelic summer of love in 1967, which again was very much the hippy counterculure reaction to what was going on around them. Either way, THE VILLAGE GREEN PRESERVATION SOCIETY, is too simplistic in its longing for old fashioned values, and its themes of nostalgia and loss of innocence, to be influenced overtly by psychedelia, certainly lyrically, and perhaps musically. It is interesting, what you have brought up, however, Dandelion, as to what the true relationship is between 60s music hall influenced pop and psychedelia, because both the Beatles SGT PEPPER and the Stones SATANIC MAJESTIES, contain strong elements of both. Is for example 'When I'm 64' and 'On With The Show' psychedelic? I would say not, despite standing alongside more psychedelically inspired tracks. In a sense, i do see your point. However, my definition of psychedelia has always been that it is music and/or lyrics that are drug influenced. 'Armenia City In The Sky' and 'I Can See For Miles' by the Who, i would say, definitely are, if also large portions of THE WHO SELL OUT are not. Also, is the Stones 'Ruby Tuesday' for example, psychedelic?
To me, it is not drug references in themselves that make some music psychdelic or not. In my understanding, it is rather some kind of not so easily defined, may I say, "quirkiness" about the "sound picture" and possibly also about the "melody structure".
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To me, it is not drug references in themselves that make some music psychdelic or not. In my understanding, it is rather some kind of not so easily defined, may I say, "quirkiness" about the "sound picture" and possibly also about the "melody structure".
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To me, it is not drug references in themselves that make some music psychdelic or not. In my understanding, it is rather some kind of not so easily defined, may I say, "quirkiness" about the "sound picture" and possibly also about the "melody structure".
I do agree, actually. I think in my earlier posts I was perhaps too tied-up in the culture, but it's the music too that plays such a vital role. A psychedelic recording to me, is one which has a unique landscape of sounds, off-the-wall lyrics and, often, but not always, irregular rhythmic sequences. I like your use of the word 'quirkiness' That aptly sums up much of Barrett-era Floyd. Listen to Bike, for instance.
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LOL! And why did you choose that song?
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Thrylan
They couldn't record Beggars Banquet soon enough......
I don't consider Hendrix psychedelic...... he dabbled, but always came back to blues.
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It's different what people call psychedelic, but...
"Ogdens Nut.." by Small Faces
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Thrylan
They couldn't record Beggars Banquet soon enough......
I don't consider Hendrix psychedelic...... he dabbled, but always came back to blues.
So Purple Haze and Are You Experienced and 3rd Stone From the Sun doesn't qualify? If that's the case, then nothing posted on this thread qualifies.
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the kinks have some songs that might fall into this category a bit but not an entire album. i think dandelionpowderman is mistaking the kinks brit pop period that had elements of baroque music for psychedelic music.
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To me, it is not drug references in themselves that make some music psychdelic or not. In my understanding, it is rather some kind of not so easily defined, may I say, "quirkiness" about the "sound picture" and possibly also about the "melody structure".
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keefriffhard4life
the kinks have some songs that might fall into this category a bit but not an entire album. i think dandelionpowderman is mistaking the kinks brit pop period that had elements of baroque music for psychedelic music.
As an old piano player, I would never do that
I'm talking of elements of it in many songs, that make the references quite strong thruout the album.
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Bliss
Few of you will know this group - Pearls Before Swine
Their first and second albums could be considered psychedelic.
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LOL! And why did you choose that song?
The album Something Else, you mean? I thought it would follow a Syd Barrett set nicely enough, what with its child-like whimsy and odd music hall atmosphere. The Barrett stuff just drenches one's head in an explosive tapestry of disjointed imagery, as if you're mind is going to split apart at the seams and spill out onto the floor at any moment, whereas the Kinks album had more of an oddly soothing and stabilizing effect, not so out there really but a good place to immerse your head nonetheless. VGPS has always struck me as more akin with English folk music than with psychedelia--Death Of A Clown more closely approaches the latter than, say, Mr. Big Sky.