Yep blues ....dirty blues is what I hear



ROCKMAN

It was the flip side of Start Me Up, and I played this more than Start Me UP before the album came out. Great track

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Rockman
Yep blues ....dirty blues is what I hear

Bass, guitars, drums, harp........a Gregorian Chant!

I had always considered this one of the weaker tracks on Tattoo You, but it really is a good tune and stands the test of time.

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Thrylan

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

Slow driving polka maybe?

Interesting point, often times "weaker" tracks do age better, because they don't become "icons" of a time.

Listening to the demo posted earlier... I hear a hint of Think I'm Going Mad.

Thanks for reminding me how much I love this song and Tattoo You!

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

Slow driving polka maybe?

A polka?......In 4/4.........Legendary

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

Slow driving polka maybe?

A polka?......In 4/4.........Legendary

Charlie gets all the credit on that one.

Figures.....Charlie, such a credit whore.

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Thrylan
Figures.....Charlie, such a credit whore.

As Ronnie is a booze whore, and Keith was a drug whore and Mick and Bill were man whores, there weren't a lot other whores left over.

He's a victim of circumstance.

War-whoreses?

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punkfloyd
Listening to the demo posted earlier... I hear a hint of Think I'm Going Mad.

The sound of the line "I'll take you to the top" in "Tops" reminds me a lot of "I think I'm going mad."

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Thrylan
Figures.....Charlie, such a credit whore.

As Ronnie is a booze whore, and Keith was a drug whore and Mick and Bill were man whores, there weren't a lot other whores left over.

He's a victim of circumstance.

I thought Charlie is a jazz whore.

He doesn't want any of the fame or even any of the credit.

He'll take the money and the time off so he can buy suits and antiques and just sit at home and play his jazz records.

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Thrylan

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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

With those chords it COULD have been a ballad (from hell), but it's not...

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Thrylan

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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

With those chords it COULD have been a ballad (from hell), but it's not...

Lol...True. I'm sorry if it sounded like an attack towards Do a, but that one caught me off guard. Funny how something you have heard one way for ever, someone else hears differently.

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Thrylan
War-whoreses?

Haw Haw Haw - that's pretty funny.

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Thrylan

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DandelionPowderman

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Thrylan

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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
The theme and the feel of a song can be pretty blue in many genres, without being blues songs.

Then we have happy-sounding songs like Sweet Home Chicago, which still definitely is a blues.

That can be today's riddle, if I may.

Let's leave it at that

Yeah, Keith has been always right in this one: "it's the same shit, man"...

But now when I recall, when I made several years ago a "definitive Rolling Stones blues collection" - is somewhere there in the back pages of IORR - I was very liberal in defining the "blues", but even then I didn't include "No Use In Crying" there, But maybe I am more liberal now. But it took me years to view "Down In The Hole" as a pure blues song, but seemingly for many here that is taken as granted.

- Doxa

What other genre would Down in a Hole be????? Not pop, soul, reggae,r&b...etc. I never thought it was anything but blues.

With those chords it COULD have been a ballad (from hell), but it's not...

Lol...True. I'm sorry if it sounded like an attack towards Do a, but that one caught me off guard. Funny how something you have heard one way for ever, someone else hears differently.

No attacks seen, we hear what we hear...

But yeah, DandelionPowderman showed the source of my initial "suspicion"... If we take the actual song out of there, there is not so charasteric blues in it (being lyrically moanful and all that does make a song blues - or to say it other way: blues does not own those passions in music). The chord sequence that goes through the song (F#7, Bm, G, F#7, E7, F#7) and the melody written over it is not something one easily recognize as a blues. Maybe more a jazz-like sad ballad or something - not actually far, say, from "All About You".

But it is of course, the formal aspects of it - how they play it - which makes it to sound like a blues, especially Sugar Blue's harmonica howling through the song, and those tasty guitar licks here and there. By a rough analogy, I think we could say the same of "Wild Horses"; if we cut all the formal country&western icings off the song - there is nothing a beautiful sad ballad in there,

So my point was that it was not a "pure" blues song, but more like a nice and original variation of a formal blues song theme, showing the richness of the sources they had by then, and the experience in making music.

By "pure blues" I mean things like "Fancy Man Blues" or "Back of My Hand" which really are attempts to make nothing but a classical blues scale numbers. Almost like pastishes of a blues number. The Stones didn't actually compose many of those after Jagger and Richards learned to write properly songs, with their own signature pen. "The Spider & The Fly", "Driving Your Plane", "Parachute Woman", etc. were "pure" blues, trying to be a variation of the blues format. But with songs like "Midnight Rambler" or "You Got The Silver", they sound original, the blues just having a foundational role in the composition, but the music is pure Rolling Stones. A bit like with "Down In The Hole".

- Doxa



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It's not a 12 bar blues, but it surely is a classic blues in every other sense - by instrumentation (rhythm and harp), the feel as well as the guitar playing.

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It's not a 12 bar blues, but it surely is a classic blues in every other sense - by instrumentation (rhythm and harp), the feel as well as the guitar playing.

I don't see the thing as simple as that.

- Doxa

A bit like a mid 60s R&B song. Clearly a part ripped off Time is on my side. And very much in Keiths late 70s early 80s "choir ballads".

In some ways it has its twin in Luxury. Luxury as the upbeat A-side and Aint no use the slow B-side.



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And Tops is really much better in all honesty.

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A bit like a mid 60s R&B song. Clearly a part ripped off Time is on my side. And very much in Keiths late 70s early 80s "choir ballads"

Absolutely, although the "da-da-da" guitar thing is to be found in countless soul numbers during the 60s. I believe it was Ronnie who wrote this one.

I've wondered if some of the lyrics were a conscious twist on LOVE IN VAIN. In LOVE IN VAIN Mick is watching his lover leave him on a train. In NO USE IN CRYING Mick is telling his lover not to expect him to arrive on a train. "There ain't no train coming, baby." One narrator is getting dumped, the second is doing the dumping. (CRYING is, in part, more eidetic.)

Side two of Tattoo you is probably the best side two of any record. Yes, I love Let it bleed but that's because of the songs. Side two of TY is a perfect mix of songs. The whole album is although I could do without Black Limo and Hang Fire.

Musically, "Laugh I nearly Died" Part I ? ;-)

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Heaven is about a young girl but not his daughter. I always thought Ain't No Use in Crying was about Anita. The band left her around that time.

Fantastic song on a fantastic b-side of a fantastic album.
It brilliantly blends their talents for melodies, harmonies, rhythm and groove.

It's a great soul song (not blues) IMO.



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