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They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
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Thrylan
It seems many have a very bipolar view. I acknowledge that yes, the number 250-300 hardcore fans doing multiple shows, however, it's not like the other 14000 are all newcomers, young, girl friends......etc. i think we are ignoring the middle. I would guess that there is a middle ground of about 6000-8000 each show that ARE diehard, hardcore Stones fans, who simply for one reason or another, cannot/do not do multiple shows within a tour. Frankly, the idea that if I dont quit my job and spend my sons tuition to attend multiple shows offends me. I am no less a fan simply because I act with a small degree of financial restraint. You can't buy your fandom. The man who turned me on to the Stones is 62, and didn't see them until 06'. The man wore scarves, dressed like Keith and lived it the whole way. Back too the setlists, I dont expect a rarities show, but I also would like a surprise or two. I don't think the girlfriends or youngins' would mind or be disappointed.
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It seems many have a very bipolar view. I acknowledge that yes, the number 250-300 hardcore fans doing multiple shows, however, it's not like the other 14000 are all newcomers, young, girl friends......etc. i think we are ignoring the middle. I would guess that there is a middle ground of about 6000-8000 each show that ARE diehard, hardcore Stones fans, who simply for one reason or another, cannot/do not do multiple shows within a tour. Frankly, the idea that if I dont quit my job and spend my sons tuition to attend multiple shows offends me. I am no less a fan simply because I act with a small degree of financial restraint. You can't buy your fandom. The man who turned me on to the Stones is 62, and didn't see them until 06'. The man wore scarves, dressed like Keith and lived it the whole way. Back too the setlists, I dont expect a rarities show, but I also would like a surprise or two. I don't think the girlfriends or youngins' would mind or be disappointed.
AMEN! One gets the impression Jagger thinks there will be a revolt if God forbid they play a rare song or two off Goats Head, Dirty Work, Undercover, ER, IORR, Exile, etc...
I remeber seeing them at MGM Grand and they played She Was Hot and the crowd loved it. Jagger said something after the song ended like "Wow I didn't think you would know that one" or something like it. Maybe he should the crow more credit for just liking a good rock song!
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Also I would of course love to hear a more creative setlist, but the Stones have to please all spectators and not just those 250-350 hardcore fans that attend more than 2 shows a tour. and the other 16k want to hear smu, jjf and satisfaction.
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Also I would of course love to hear a more creative setlist, but the Stones have to please all spectators and not just those 250-350 hardcore fans that attend more than 2 shows a tour. and the other 16k want to hear smu, jjf and satisfaction.
No, they don't have to please all spectators. They choose to. They could challenge their audiences by playing a bunch of great songs that most casual fans might not be familiar with, but they, like most bands, choose to cater to their mainstream casual audiences. There was a time when bands played so good that they could win over an audience with a song the audience had never heard before. The Stones are arguably still capable of that, but they choose not to do it.
Neil Young doesn't cater to his audience, he plays what he wants for whatever reasons and people still go see his shows because they know no matter what he plays, he's going to do it passionately. It can be done.
And I'd guess there are far more than 300 fans going to see multiple shows on a tour. If they mixed up the setlists more, there'd likely be a lot more fans going to see multiple shows.
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Also I would of course love to hear a more creative setlist, but the Stones have to please all spectators and not just those 250-350 hardcore fans that attend more than 2 shows a tour. and the other 16k want to hear smu, jjf and satisfaction.
No, they don't have to please all spectators. They choose to. They could challenge their audiences by playing a bunch of great songs that most casual fans might not be familiar with, but they, like most bands, choose to cater to their mainstream casual audiences. There was a time when bands played so good that they could win over an audience with a song the audience had never heard before. The Stones are arguably still capable of that, but they choose not to do it.
Neil Young doesn't cater to his audience, he plays what he wants for whatever reasons and people still go see his shows because they know no matter what he plays, he's going to do it passionately. It can be done.
And I'd guess there are far more than 300 fans going to see multiple shows on a tour. If they mixed up the setlists more, there'd likely be a lot more fans going to see multiple shows.
Couldn't agree more. And think about what The Who just did with their Quadrophenia and More Tour. Imagine if the Stones did the Exiled and More Tour.
Each night they would play the 18 songs of Exile start to finish (with Ronnie and Taylor) and could then play Midnight Rambler & Brown Sugar. Encore with YCAGWYW, JJF, & Satisfaction. Can Jagger really not realize how well received that show would be? It would sell out every show!
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And something else to consider. The Rolling Stones tour is going REALLY, REALLY, REALLY well.
99% of the published reviews have been amazing. Many fans that have been to several shows are saying they're playing better than they've ever seen them.
Yes, some of the $600 tickets have been discounted, but so what? An $300 average ticket is still pretty freaking good for a band. It certainly costs much less to go see their main competition in Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and U2.
And they're playing to absolutely jam packed arenas every show.
So, why would they change their formula? Someone made a thread that was titled something like "this tour has been a trainwreck." Huh? To who?
Fans are paying several hundred dollars a pop to go see them show after show. Why would Mick, AEG, or anyone involved with the Stones' corporation look at the way things are going and say "Hey Boys, you really should change THIS and THIS and THIS."
Again - perspective, perspective, perspective!
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I don't think the Stones should settle for anything less than the best possible exit. There is no doubt that if they can somehow pull it together and produce that one last classic it would be the best possible exit scenario. I think we can at least agree on that.
They have already settled for less except financially. And they already did their one last classic album, which was Tattoo You. Why you continue to ape on and on and on about something that is not possible is astounding.
Not possible? Even you should know better.
And what's this nonsense you always spew about Tattoo You being their last classic album? Stop being silly. Bridges (so far) is their last classic album.
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They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
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Thrylan
It seems many have a very bipolar view. I acknowledge that yes, the number 250-300 hardcore fans doing multiple shows, however, it's not like the other 14000 are all newcomers, young, girl friends......etc. i think we are ignoring the middle. I would guess that there is a middle ground of about 6000-8000 each show that ARE diehard, hardcore Stones fans, who simply for one reason or another, cannot/do not do multiple shows within a tour. Frankly, the idea that if I dont quit my job and spend my sons tuition to attend multiple shows offends me
AMEN! One gets the impression Jagger thinks there will be a revolt if God forbid they play a rare song or two off Goats Head, Dirty Work, Undercover, ER, IORR, Exile, etc...
I remeber seeing them at MGM Grand and they played She Was Hot and the crowd loved it. Jagger said something after the song ended like "Wow I didn't think you would know that one" or something like it. Maybe he should the crow more credit for just liking a good rock song!
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They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
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rambler44
I remeber seeing them at MGM Grand and they played She Was Hot and the crowd loved it. Jagger said something after the song ended like "Wow I didn't think you would know that one" or something like it.
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Shug
Neil Young doesn't cater to his audience, he plays what he wants for whatever reasons and people still go see his shows because they know no matter what he plays, he's going to do it passionately. It can be done.
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Rstones24
And something else to consider. The Rolling Stones tour is going REALLY, REALLY, REALLY well.
99% of the published reviews have been amazing. Many fans that have been to several shows are saying they're playing better than they've ever seen them.
Yes, some of the $600 tickets have been discounted, but so what? An $300 average ticket is still pretty freaking good for a band. It certainly costs much less to go see their main competition in Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, and U2.
And they're playing to absolutely jam packed arenas every show.
So, why would they change their formula? Someone made a thread that was titled something like "this tour has been a trainwreck." Huh? To who?
Fans are paying several hundred dollars a pop to go see them show after show. Why would Mick, AEG, or anyone involved with the Stones' corporation look at the way things are going and say "Hey Boys, you really should change THIS and THIS and THIS."
Again - perspective, perspective, perspective!
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bv
They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
I'm sure JumpingWhackOLantern is on board with that - only making a NEW one that is a CLASSIC!
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I kind of enjoy the correspondence between you and Mr Gaslightstreet, JJL! Do I have an odd sense of humour maybe?
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I don't think the Stones should settle for anything less than the best possible exit. There is no doubt that if they can somehow pull it together and produce that one last classic it would be the best possible exit scenario. I think we can at least agree on that.
They have already settled for less except financially. And they already did their one last classic album, which was Tattoo You. Why you continue to ape on and on and on about something that is not possible is astounding.
Not possible? Even you should know better.
And what's this nonsense you always spew about Tattoo You being their last classic album? Stop being silly. Bridges (so far) is their last classic album.
Let's see. Yes. I do know: not possible.
Two - I'm not the silly one. Spew about Tattoo You? Hahahahahahaha. You WISH you could spew about Tattoo You. Meanwhile, you go on about some Stones-by-numbers-with-300-producers-"modern"-"Rolling Stones"-album. By no means a classic. Maybe for the post-Bill Wyman era...
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They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
I'm sure JumpingWhackOLantern is on board with that - only making a NEW one that is a CLASSIC!
I have got news for you, gasbag. Every Stones album ever made is a classic. The next one will be no different!
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They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
I would still prefer Katy Perry!
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bv
They should repaint Mona Lisa because it is boring after all these years!
I'm sure JumpingWhackOLantern is on board with that - only making a NEW one that is a CLASSIC!
I have got news for you, gasbag. Every Stones album ever made is a classic. The next one will be no different!
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I don't think the Stones should settle for anything less than the best possible exit. There is no doubt that if they can somehow pull it together and produce that one last classic it would be the best possible exit scenario. I think we can at least agree on that.
They have already settled for less except financially. And they already did their one last classic album, which was Tattoo You. Why you continue to ape on and on and on about something that is not possible is astounding.
Not possible? Even you should know better.
And what's this nonsense you always spew about Tattoo You being their last classic album? Stop being silly. Bridges (so far) is their last classic album.
Let's see. Yes. I do know: not possible.
Two - I'm not the silly one. Spew about Tattoo You? Hahahahahahaha. You WISH you could spew about Tattoo You. Meanwhile, you go on about some Stones-by-numbers-with-300-producers-"modern"-"Rolling Stones"-album. By no means a classic. Maybe for the post-Bill Wyman era...
Just one problem: Your "not possibles" often become reality.
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And yes, I have upgraded ABB to classic status!