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But still loud enough to cause further damage to impaired hearing,
Hearing damage only occurs at extremely high levels which are not achieved at any concert, or prolonged exposure to high levels, whereby prolonged exposure is hours per day over months or even years.
At today's concer volume levels there is no danger of hearing damage unless you put your head inside the Pa's speaker cabinet.
Mathijs
sorry not true take it up with my surgeons
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But still loud enough to cause further damage to impaired hearing,
Hearing damage only occurs at extremely high levels which are not achieved at any concert, or prolonged exposure to high levels, whereby prolonged exposure is hours per day over months or even years.
At today's concer volume levels there is no danger of hearing damage unless you put your head inside the Pa's speaker cabinet.
Mathijs
sorry not true take it up with my surgeons
Mathijs makes things up all the time. Why anybody listened to him is beyond me.
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Grison
Thanks for this interesting threat. In the five concerts we saw (Oakland, S.Jose, Vegas and 2 Anaheim all in the pit front row I would say the worst was very left to Ronnie's side. My wife had a Problem after S. Jose and in Vegas a Body Guard in front of us gave her hear plugs as she couldn't stand the loudness. However in Anaheim closer to Mick's Amps it was much much better and the Sound was clearer. Being in the back of the pit you did not have the noise volume (at least in London) like in the front.
I will see if we can get such earplugs you showing for the Shows we will attend.
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But still loud enough to cause further damage to impaired hearing,
Hearing damage only occurs at extremely high levels which are not achieved at any concert, or prolonged exposure to high levels, whereby prolonged exposure is hours per day over months or even years.
At today's concer volume levels there is no danger of hearing damage unless you put your head inside the Pa's speaker cabinet.
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Mathijs ... maybe you have a different definition of hearing damage/loss? The ringing in ears after a concert, even if it goes away, IS permanent hearing damage. Sorry, but I don't think you should keep stating that damage only occurs from extended exposure. I know from personal experience that you can suffer permanent hearing damage from a single concert.
Also, as far as your 103 dB level ... I'm not sure how strictly this is regulated, nor if it is truly that safe a level. Also, is the 103 dB over 15 minutes an average, or a max threshold? I've been to many, many concerts where I take my earplugs out and I would say the sound levels are approaching the "painful" category (e.g. 120dB ). Anyway, I found this chart below from google (http://www.noisehelp.com/noise-dose.html). I'm not sure if this is some kind of "official audiologist" chart, but it at least looks like a good framework and suggests it is based on a generally accepted standard formula.
Maximum Recommended Noise Dose Exposure Levels
Noise Level (dBA) ...... Maximum Exposure Time per 24 Hours
85 ...... 8 hours
88 ...... 4 hours
91 ...... 2 hours
94 ...... 1 hour
97 ...... 30 minutes
100 ...... 15 minutes
103 ...... 7.5 minutes
106 ...... 3.7 minutes
109 ...... 112 seconds
112 ...... 56 seconds
115 ...... 28 seconds
118 ...... 14 seconds
121 ...... 7 seconds
124 ...... 3 seconds
127 ...... 1 second
130–140 ...... less than 1 second
140 ...... NO EXPOSURE
This chart seems to be based on a daily exposure, and granted we aren't really talking about going to a concert every single day. Regardless, I can almost guarantee that at reasonable distance from the speaker cabinets, most concerts are averaging over the 90-95 dB range. And will definitely have moments when the sound cranks up into the 110-120 dB range, even higher. You listen to that for an hour or so, your ears will ring, and you have suffered permanent damage. The ringing might subside, but your ears have still been permanently damaged. It is obviously true that the extended exposure can bring this damage home to roost in some noticeable form of permanent damage (e.g. tinnitus), but one loud concert can still damage your hearing permanently in some way.
On another note, you can even get hearing damage from the crowd screaming. If you have tens of thousands of people screaming, the dB levels can actually rise above what the band has been playing at.
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lettingitbleed
Grandpa alert!!
"if it's too loud, you're too old"
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ash
I saw the Jim Jones Revue in Bristol UK last year. My ears were ringing for 3 days. I began to get worried on day 3 but luckily i have escaped any damage. BTW it was one of the best gigs i've ever seen.
I've been a musician for 30 years. I rarely use headphones because of a previous bout of temporary tinnitus many years ago. Out of phase speakers for me. A bit of spillage beats hearing loss any time.
I agree with the plea in this thread. I want to be able to listen to the Stones when i'm old, living in a care home crapping my pants involuntarily. I say yes to ear plugs at concerts. Especially if you're seeing Pariah Scary or Celine Dion. It could save your life.
"Watch out for your ears" - Jimi Hendrix
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I saw the Jim Jones Revue in Bristol UK last year. My ears were ringing for 3 days. I began to get worried on day 3 but luckily i have escaped any damage. BTW it was one of the best gigs i've ever seen.
I've been a musician for 30 years. I rarely use headphones because of a previous bout of temporary tinnitus many years ago. Out of phase speakers for me. A bit of spillage beats hearing loss any time.
I agree with the plea in this thread. I want to be able to listen to the Stones when i'm old, living in a care home crapping my pants involuntarily. I say yes to ear plugs at concerts. Especially if you're seeing Pariah Scary or Celine Dion. It could save your life.
"Watch out for your ears" - Jimi Hendrix
i'll give you some advice. your ears were ringing, you didn't escape damage. whenever they ring damage has occured