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Get ready for counter-attacks, Philip
Certainly not me.
It will be over unless you guys start voting yes to a new album!
I would wager to say that half of them have never even picked up a guitar. And so what, even if they could play better than the three mentioned what do they have to show for it? Musicians are a dime a dozen. They all think they can outplay the other. But if you can't write and have no idea how to promote yourself then you go nowhere. Except maybe to a forum like this to critique those that have figured out a way to make their talent pay off for them.
I'd cut heads with Mick..........Jagger, not the real guitar men.
One does not need to be in a band whose name you recognise for one to recognise when someone is or isn't a virtuoso on an instrument.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 14:06 by His Majesty.
Cheer up
Is there an official vote? And if there aren't enough votes will it be time for the Sons of The Beatles.
The two bands I play with are extremely well known in the area. No matter how hard we try to keep a gig secret, they always find a way to evacuate the neighborhood before ...
C
p.s. Richards, Wood, Taylor who?
I blame our promo man!
C
Yes, technique is one aspect, probably not the most important...Having watched CYHMK again and finding myself smiling and tapping and moving each time, I wonder why that is, the historic aspect? Dunno...that it's too good to be true? Dunno...it's just good stuff, fabulous chemistry that they don't have when they're not playing together.
Obviously Mick Taylor's solo carreer has been a failure, most likely because he was just bored and directionless after these wonder years, and of course it's hard not to diss his claims at the lack of credits when he's maybe written one memorable song in nearly 40 years and it's never even been officially released! But how would Keith have fared on his own had he left in December 1974? Mick Jagger would obviously have had more of a shot but where would he be now without the Stones? Yeah they fight and argue and probably hate each other at times but they also know they're getting it "straight" from a "peer", not just getting the answer they want to hear from someone from their entourage who're going to be a "yes" men at one point or another and who wouldn't when facing Mick Jagger or Keith Richards. That's probably what Macca misses the most since 1970/1980...sure some people have stood up to him while working on songs, Costello, Goodrich but you can tell from interviews that it didn't really work because he didn't consider them as peers.
More than the money and ego-tripping, it's probably that chemistry that keeps them going (Keith at least often refers to "them" when talking about the Stones, not "us" ) and the "return" of the guitar player who was around when they ruled can only pump them up even more. Barring any accidents, I think they'll at least see if this can go somewhere in the studio, but there is little doubt it would considering how the very modest PMS effort panned out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 15:36 by gotdablouse.
This is exactly what taylorianism is all about: Taylor is no virtuoso, he's a great musician.
We only have one show to judge that by - the Kansas City show in 1981.
Of course, some songs will sound better with Taylor, some with Ronnie. Being the most accomplished one doesn't always help - Keith is a living proof of that
Maybe so, but she didn't kick start The Rolling Stones or make defining contributions to that bands music. His slide on Little Red Rooster and No Expectations is just spot on, as good as any other slide recordings even if they sre not technically hard to play. Haven't heard anyone better them emotion or atmosphere wise.
Anyway, has stonesrule heard of her?
I have heard you play, musically you could do more for the stones in one week than Mr Wood has his entire time with them.
OK, well then, go ahead and say it then.
Talk about your favorite band.
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"New" guitar player breathes new life into the Stones in...2013
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: May 22, 2013 11:05
...well it happened before according to Bill Wyman who said interview(s) back in the 70s (or 80s ? maybe someone can pinpoint that interview, Google couldn't find it for me) that Ronnie Wood joining the Stones had breathed new life into the band with his "camaraderie" and I think he even went on to say that they might have broken up if not for that.
Fast forward 38 years...and the guitar player that Ronnie replaced in 1975 is arguably breathing new life in the band too! It was pretty obvious at the O2/25th when Taylor came out of the blue (literally) on MR that something special was going on and only a small part was nostalgia. In 2013, MR has reached new heights (listening to Dan's Anaheim/18th recording as I type this) and of course the interaction on CYHMK in LA on the 20th was fantastic.
Hard to say where it will go from here, but with Mick Taylor's virtuosity and Ronnie's camaraderie both on board, the Glimmer Twins might be encouraged to enter the studio with renewed ambitions...the possibility of recording a latter day classic, something they'd probably given up a long time ago.
Well even if that doesn't happen, what we've gotten as fans since the fall of 2012 has been tremendous, not in the least because it was totally unexpected!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 15:37 by gotdablouse.
Fast forward 38 years...and the guitar player that Ronnie replaced in 1975 is arguably breathing new life in the band too! It was pretty obvious at the O2/25th when Taylor came out of the blue (literally) on MR that something special was going on and only a small part was nostalgia. In 2013, MR has reached new heights (listening to Dan's Anaheim/18th recording as I type this) and of course the interaction on CYHMK in LA on the 20th was fantastic.
Hard to say where it will go from here, but with Mick Taylor's virtuosity and Ronnie's camaraderie both on board, the Glimmer Twins might be encouraged to enter the studio with renewed ambitions...the possibility of recording a latter day classic, something they'd probably given up a long time ago.
Well even if that doesn't happen, what we've gotten as fans since the fall of 2012 has been tremendous, not in the least because it was totally unexpected!
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 15:37 by gotdablouse.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:04
Last time I checked, band was quite alive - and (even) kicking... albeit in their 'latter days', clearly (a fact that obviously can't nor won't change).
So I find this 'new guitarist! / new life!' stuff a bit over the top, if I may say so.
Same goes for all the enthusiasm over Taylor's guitar playing these days; ànd all the hoopla about this CYHMK-video.
Adequate version - nothing more, nothing less, imo.
I simply adore that song, both studio ànd live, but for me, history was made when they played it (& I heard them play it) live in 2003 (Ronnie did a GREAT job there) - for that is real history...
The thrills, these days, about Taylor playing it live are emotional (or, dare I say it, even sentimental...!!?).
And we should all be weary about letting emotions to (re-)write history. (that never makes for a good story!)
So I find this 'new guitarist! / new life!' stuff a bit over the top, if I may say so.
Same goes for all the enthusiasm over Taylor's guitar playing these days; ànd all the hoopla about this CYHMK-video.
Adequate version - nothing more, nothing less, imo.
I simply adore that song, both studio ànd live, but for me, history was made when they played it (& I heard them play it) live in 2003 (Ronnie did a GREAT job there) - for that is real history...
The thrills, these days, about Taylor playing it live are emotional (or, dare I say it, even sentimental...!!?).
And we should all be weary about letting emotions to (re-)write history. (that never makes for a good story!)
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:17
"new guitar player" was of course a tongue in cheek comment but that's (almost) what it feels like.
As for the Licks version of CYHMK, well it was decent, but something was obviously missing, we knew what it was, and on the 20th it was quite obvious and there was nothing "sentimental", it was simply mind blowing. Don't get me wrong, I think Ronnie is competent guitar player who did his best on CYHMK and it was ok, but he's simply not in the same league as Taylor who can take things where few others can.
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As for the Licks version of CYHMK, well it was decent, but something was obviously missing, we knew what it was, and on the 20th it was quite obvious and there was nothing "sentimental", it was simply mind blowing. Don't get me wrong, I think Ronnie is competent guitar player who did his best on CYHMK and it was ok, but he's simply not in the same league as Taylor who can take things where few others can.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-22 16:32 by gotdablouse.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:18
Really, especially now, Taylor is no virtuoso!
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: May 22, 2013 13:24
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His Majesty
Really, especially now, Taylor is no virtuoso!
Get ready for counter-attacks, Philip Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: May 22, 2013 13:28
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
His Majesty
Really, especially now, Taylor is no virtuoso!
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
ZantiMisfit
()
Date: May 23, 2013 01:56
These are the last tour dates ever. No new album with Taylor. No Taylor playing on half the songs. No 10-minute 'Sway.' No European or World Tour. It's over, guys. OH-VER.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
()
Date: May 23, 2013 02:05
The Lick's version was an embarrassment for Ronnie, sad to say the solo was worse than terrible. There is no comparison to what was played on Monday. When it comes to solos in a minor key they don't even play the same instrument.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
somegirl26
()
Date: May 23, 2013 02:26
To Zantimisfit:
MT played four songs on this past Monday night in LA. CYHMK and Sway, along with MR and Satisfaction. Never say never.
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MT played four songs on this past Monday night in LA. CYHMK and Sway, along with MR and Satisfaction. Never say never.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 02:28 by somegirl26.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
stonesrule
()
Date: May 23, 2013 02:31
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: May 23, 2013 02:43
Quote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Certainly not me.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
()
Date: May 23, 2013 03:02
or meQuote
71TeleQuote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Certainly not me.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
JumpinJackOLantern
()
Date: May 23, 2013 06:26
Quote
ZantiMisfit
These are the last tour dates ever. No new album with Taylor. No Taylor playing on half the songs. No 10-minute 'Sway.' No European or World Tour. It's over, guys. OH-VER.
It will be over unless you guys start voting yes to a new album!
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
JumpinJackOLantern
()
Date: May 23, 2013 06:34
Quote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
I would wager to say that half of them have never even picked up a guitar. And so what, even if they could play better than the three mentioned what do they have to show for it? Musicians are a dime a dozen. They all think they can outplay the other. But if you can't write and have no idea how to promote yourself then you go nowhere. Except maybe to a forum like this to critique those that have figured out a way to make their talent pay off for them.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
Thrylan
()
Date: May 23, 2013 07:30
Quote
DoomandGloomor meQuote
71TeleQuote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Certainly not me.
I'd cut heads with Mick..........Jagger, not the real guitar men.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 23, 2013 12:58
Quote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
One does not need to be in a band whose name you recognise for one to recognise when someone is or isn't a virtuoso on an instrument.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 14:06 by His Majesty.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 23, 2013 13:29
Quote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
Cheer up
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
BlackHat
()
Date: May 23, 2013 13:44
Quote
JumpinJackOLanternQuote
ZantiMisfit
These are the last tour dates ever. No new album with Taylor. No Taylor playing on half the songs. No 10-minute 'Sway.' No European or World Tour. It's over, guys. OH-VER.
It will be over unless you guys start voting yes to a new album!
Is there an official vote? And if there aren't enough votes will it be time for the Sons of The Beatles.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: May 23, 2013 13:54
Quote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
The two bands I play with are extremely well known in the area. No matter how hard we try to keep a gig secret, they always find a way to evacuate the neighborhood before ...
C
p.s. Richards, Wood, Taylor who?
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 23, 2013 13:56
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: May 23, 2013 14:16
Quote
DandelionPowderman
I blame our promo man!
C
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
gotdablouse
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:11
Quote
JumpinJackOLanternQuote
stonesrule
I wonder if all the guitar experts posting have ever played in a band whose name we'd recognize.
Anyone who has reason to believe he is the equal of Richards, Wood and Taylor?
I would wager to say that half of them have never even picked up a guitar. And so what, even if they could play better than the three mentioned what do they have to show for it? Musicians are a dime a dozen. They all think they can outplay the other. But if you can't write and have no idea how to promote yourself then you go nowhere. Except maybe to a forum like this to critique those that have figured out a way to make their talent pay off for them.
Yes, technique is one aspect, probably not the most important...Having watched CYHMK again and finding myself smiling and tapping and moving each time, I wonder why that is, the historic aspect? Dunno...that it's too good to be true? Dunno...it's just good stuff, fabulous chemistry that they don't have when they're not playing together.
Obviously Mick Taylor's solo carreer has been a failure, most likely because he was just bored and directionless after these wonder years, and of course it's hard not to diss his claims at the lack of credits when he's maybe written one memorable song in nearly 40 years and it's never even been officially released! But how would Keith have fared on his own had he left in December 1974? Mick Jagger would obviously have had more of a shot but where would he be now without the Stones? Yeah they fight and argue and probably hate each other at times but they also know they're getting it "straight" from a "peer", not just getting the answer they want to hear from someone from their entourage who're going to be a "yes" men at one point or another and who wouldn't when facing Mick Jagger or Keith Richards. That's probably what Macca misses the most since 1970/1980...sure some people have stood up to him while working on songs, Costello, Goodrich but you can tell from interviews that it didn't really work because he didn't consider them as peers.
More than the money and ego-tripping, it's probably that chemistry that keeps them going (Keith at least often refers to "them" when talking about the Stones, not "us" ) and the "return" of the guitar player who was around when they ruled can only pump them up even more. Barring any accidents, I think they'll at least see if this can go somewhere in the studio, but there is little doubt it would considering how the very modest PMS effort panned out.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 15:36 by gotdablouse.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:31
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
His Majesty
Really, especially now, Taylor is no virtuoso!
This is exactly what taylorianism is all about: Taylor is no virtuoso, he's a great musician.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
Loudei
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:32
Taylor plays his best with Stones, and the Stones play their best with Taylor. In rock n roll chemistry is the most important thing. Beast of Burden might be Ronnie's best Stones track with a great exsmple of the two guitar weaving it would be interesting to have Taylor play some of those post 76 tunes. Chemistry - Taylor's sound melts beautifully with the horns too - he is just a great lead player and he probably helped making Keith the greatest rhythm guitarist on wheels. I love Ronnie by the way and loved his tenure in the band as well.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:45
Quote
Loudei
Taylor plays his best with Stones, and the Stones play their best with Taylor. In rock n roll chemistry is the most important thing. Beast of Burden might be Ronnie's best Stones track with a great exsmple of the two guitar weaving it would be interesting to have Taylor play some of those post 76 tunes. Chemistry - Taylor's sound melts beautifully with the horns too - he is just a great lead player and he probably helped making Keith the greatest rhythm guitarist on wheels. I love Ronnie by the way and loved his tenure in the band as well.
We only have one show to judge that by - the Kansas City show in 1981.
Of course, some songs will sound better with Taylor, some with Ronnie. Being the most accomplished one doesn't always help - Keith is a living proof of that
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:53
Quote
kleermakerQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
His Majesty
Really, especially now, Taylor is no virtuoso!
This is exactly what taylorianism is all about: Taylor is no virtuoso, he's a great musician.
Re: "New" guitar player breathes new life into the Stones in...2013
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 23, 2013 15:56
Ps: just about every man and his dog is as good or better at playing guitar than Ron Wood. ><
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<Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-23 16:26 by His Majesty.
Re: "New" guitar player breathes new life into the Stones in...2013
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 23, 2013 16:02
My granny played a meaner slide than Brian 
Re: "New" guitar player breathes new life into the Stones in...2013
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: May 23, 2013 16:21
Quote
DandelionPowderman
My granny played a meaner slide than Brian
Maybe so, but she didn't kick start The Rolling Stones or make defining contributions to that bands music. His slide on Little Red Rooster and No Expectations is just spot on, as good as any other slide recordings even if they sre not technically hard to play. Haven't heard anyone better them emotion or atmosphere wise.
Anyway, has stonesrule heard of her?
I have heard you play, musically you could do more for the stones in one week than Mr Wood has his entire time with them.
Re: New guitar player breathes new life into the Stones...
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 23, 2013 16:25
Quote
RoughJusticeOnYa
Last time I checked, band was quite alive - and (even) kicking... albeit in their 'latter days', clearly (a fact that obviously can't nor won't change).
So I find this 'new guitarist! / new life!' stuff a bit over the top, if I may say so.
OK, well then, go ahead and say it then.
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