Been a stones fan since 64, just wondering why their putting limited effort in selecting tunes from their library.

Take a lesson from paul and delve back into catalog. I'd be bored if I had to play the same stuff over and over again

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Been a stones fan since 64, just wondering why their putting limited effort in selecting tunes from their library.

Take a lesson from paul and delve back into catalog. I'd be bored if I had to play the same stuff over and over again

It's a good question. Could be any number of reasons... personally I don't think they have the balls or the dedication to learning their back catalogue well enough to bring some out at show time on the arena scale. They need to experiment. Springsteen plays over 3 hours and devotes at least 5 -6 songs of the show to an acoustic delivery ( I assume it is a little less taxing on his body to do so) The Stones could do that and it would be a welcome change.. either lack of imagination, lack of effort, or lack of courage, I think lead the Stones to bring the same basic format to each show of a tour. Of course in a club setting they have played some lesser played tracks but they just don't seem to have the 'nads to do it on the bigger scale..complacency, and expecting sell outs lead to unimaginative staid shows...

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Okay moving along who else would love to hear the stones do something like Too Much BBlood or Pretty Beat Up from Undercover? I just would like them to dig a little deeper like McCartney & Springsteen do

I'd love anything off Undercover.

The last powerful album of new material I think they've done. Too bad it didn't sell that well, otherwise I think we'd get more of it!

Maybe because they didn't tour behind it. I agree. I think it is a great album

Well those were the early days pre WWIII so I think we're lucky they were still engaged enough to produce a great album. The wheels definitely fell off the cart shortly thereafter.

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is it fair to say the beatles are beating the stones this week?

I am sure that Paul adding five Beatles songs while the Stones are "stealing the headlines" with their 50 and Counting tour is purely coincidental! NOT! And to think that many actually believe there is no legacy war between the Stones and the Beatles for greatest of all time. Paul is just protecting his own - waging the good fight right to the end, on his own. Fortunately for the him there is help on the way in the form of his son James and later with the other sons of the Beatles. Of course none of the parties (Stones or Beatles) will ever admit to it. Good English boys are supposed to be humble as apple pie. May the best band win!

You obviously have no clue about Paul and his setlists the past several years...debuting different songs is normal for him each tour.

What five new Beatles tunes did he add to his set list last tour?

Hey JumpingJack here is McCartney's setlist from 7/16/2011 at Yankee Stadium. As you can see he definitely mixed it up this time around. Unlike a certain band I know...


Magical Mystery Tour

(The Beatles song)

2.
Jet

(Wings song)

3.
All My Loving

(The Beatles song)

4.
Junior's Farm

(Wings song)

5.
Drive My Car

(The Beatles song)

6.
Sing the Changes

(The Fireman song)

7.
The Night Before

(The Beatles song)

8.
Let Me Roll It

(Wings song)(With Foxy Lady Snippet)

9.
Paperback Writer

(The Beatles song)

10.
The Long and Winding Road

(The Beatles song)

11.
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five

(Wings song)

12.
Let 'Em In

(Wings song)

13.
Maybe I'm Amazed



14.
I'm Looking Through You

(The Beatles song)

15.
I Will

(The Beatles song)

16.
Blackbird

(The Beatles song)

17.
Here Today



18.
Dance Tonight



19.
Mrs. Vandebilt

(Wings song)

20.
Eleanor Rigby

(The Beatles song)

21.
Something

(The Beatles song)

22.
Band on the Run

(Wings song)

23.
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da

(The Beatles song)

24.
Back in the U.S.S.R.

(The Beatles song)

25.
I've Got a Feeling

(The Beatles song)

26.
A Day in the Life

(The Beatles song)(With Give Peace A Chance Snippet)

27.
Let It Be

(The Beatles song)

28.
Live and Let Die

(Wings song)

29.
Hey Jude

(The Beatles song)

Encore:
30.
Lady Madonna

(The Beatles song)

31.
I Saw Her Standing There

(The Beatles song)(with Billy Joel)

32.
Get Back

(The Beatles song)

Encore 2:
33.
Yesterday

(The Beatles song)

34.
Helter Skelter

(The Beatles song)

35.
Golden Slumbers

(The Beatles song)

36.
Carry That Weight

(The Beatles song)

37.
The End

(The Beatles song)

I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

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is it fair to say the beatles are beating the stones this week?

Mccartney listening to his fans! Stones in auto pilot

The Stones have been listening. And delivering. More surprises are on the way.

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

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is it fair to say the beatles are beating the stones this week?

Mccartney listening to his fans! Stones in auto pilot

The Stones have been listening. And delivering. More surprises are on the way.

Let's hope so! Gee alittle more effort here might get me back in. Other wise not really interested. Still love the guys, however I hope they find some balls and play other stuff.

I look forward to see the tour evolve. Seeing them June 12, hopefully a Emotional Rescue still in the lineup and maybe Peter a wolf as the guest. As far as the warhorses I will put on a happy face. Haha

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

He can't rest. It's not over. The rock historians have yet to have their summit to declare the winner. Perhaps it'll be like electing the pope, white smoke for Beatles, black smoke for The Stones.

I have a question for JumpinJackOLantern.
Who are these "rock historians" that you have spoke of many times?

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

The Stones won ME over ten years ago, but I am pretty sure if you assembled a panel of rock historians and writers today they would give the Beatles the nod. Rolling Stone magazine's top 100 artists of all time has the Beatles #1 and the Stones #4 with Bob Dylan and Elvis in between. I think that panel of experts pretty much got it right but that was some time ago and was specifically for "artistry".

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

The Stones won ME over ten years ago, but I am pretty sure if you assembled a panel of rock historians and writers today they would give the Beatles the nod. Rolling Stone magazine's top 100 artists of all time has the Beatles #1 and the Stones #4 with Bob Dylan and Elvis in between. I think that panel of experts pretty much got it right but that was some time ago and was specifically for "artistry".

There's a book called "The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones - Sound Opinions On A Rock 'n' Roll Rivalry" by Jim Derogatis and Greg Kot...a couple of Rock Historians.

The bands are put toe to toe and analyzed. The Stones win, so you can finally relax. Bought a hard cover version on Amazon for $7. A fun read.

The Stones win, so you can relax.



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I like Paul's imagination here he is taking chances. However he can't do a thing to improve All Together Now - That is nothing more than anusery rhyme. terrible song!

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I don't mind the "warhorses", they're gonna play them no matter what, but what I don't like is their placement in the setlist. The last 5 numbers are always so predictable. It's like they play 3 quarters of a show and then rest on their laurels for the last remainder. Mix it up! Put them somewhere else!

Mick likes to take the audience on an emotional roller coaster ride of a series of peaks and valleys. The idea is to be peaking at the very end of the show - henceforth, the "powerhouses". Jumpin Jack Flash and Satisfaction are designed to bring the audience to a frenzied grand climax of emotion. Brown Sugar has also been used as a "closer" and despite the fact I never liked it much it easily falls into the category of "powerhouse". These songs involve crowd participation. They work the crowd into a frenzy. If they transition to clubs and theaters after this tour we should then begin to see much more variation. I just hope we get there, because that's when the real fun will begin for hardcore fans.

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I don't mind the "warhorses", they're gonna play them no matter what, but what I don't like is their placement in the setlist. The last 5 numbers are always so predictable. It's like they play 3 quarters of a show and then rest on their laurels for the last remainder. Mix it up! Put them somewhere else!

Mick likes to take the audience on an emotional roller coaster ride of a series of peaks and valleys. The idea is to be peaking at the very end of the show - henceforth, the "powerhouses". Jumpin Jack Flash and Satisfaction are designed to bring the audience to a frenzied grand climax of emotion. Brown Sugar has also been used as a "closer" and despite the fact I never liked it much it easily falls into the category of "powerhouse". These songs involve crowd participation. They work the crowd into a frenzy. If they transition to clubs and theaters after this tour we should then begin to see much more variation. I just hope we get there, because that's when the real fun will begin for hardcore fans.

I said yeah, yeah, yeah, WHOO!

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If they transition to clubs and theaters after this tour we should then begin to see much more variation. I just hope we get there, because that's when the real fun will begin for hardcore fans.

So the hardcore fans aren't having fun right now? That's confusing. Shouldn't a hardcore fan have fun regardless of the songs or the venue? You'd think a hardcore fan would love the band no matter what. Or is it the casual fans that love them no matter what? But then wouldn't that make them hardcore because they are so devoted to the music and the band? or is total devotion worthy of a softcore fan title???

Can I get a rock historian to explain this to me?



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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

The Stones won ME over ten years ago, but I am pretty sure if you assembled a panel of rock historians and writers today they would give the Beatles the nod. Rolling Stone magazine's top 100 artists of all time has the Beatles #1 and the Stones #4 with Bob Dylan and Elvis in between. I think that panel of experts pretty much got it right but that was some time ago and was specifically for "artistry".

There's a book called "The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones - Sound Opinions On A Rock 'n' Roll Rivalry" by Jim Derogatis and Greg Kot...a couple of Rock Historians.

The bands are put toe to toe and analyzed. The Stones win, so you can finally relax. Bought a hard cover version on Amazon for $7. A fun read.

The Stones win, so you

One thing we should always keep in mind is that this rivalry isn't a matter of life and death. The two rival parties are good friends and would never admit that they give a rip about being recognized as the greatest. It's just not the English way. Paul is a gentleman, but like any iconic performer he has an ego. Do you think Mick Jagger might also have a little bit of an ego? Do you think that it is possible that both Mick and Keith are highly competitive individuals? Of course they are. They wouldn't be where they are today without having an immensely powerful drive to succeed. The vast majority of people who go to see Paul are there because they loved the Beatles and want to keep the dream alive. Paul knows that and that is why he features so many Beatles tunes at his concerts. Paul never truly wanted the Beatles to end and there is no doubt in my mind that he believes he is still carrying the torch for his fallen comrades. Every time he takes the stage his fallen friends are at his side in spirit. The fans long for there fallen idols and Paul is their link.

They certainly could mix up the warhorses by 2 songs each show. Rotate and keep us guessing a little. Street Fighting Man and Rip This Joint should be considered.

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If they transition to clubs and theaters after this tour we should then begin to see much more variation. I just hope we get there, because that's when the real fun will begin for hardcore fans.

So the hardcore fans aren't having fun right now? That's confusing. Shouldn't a hardcore fan have fun regardless of the songs or the venue? You'd think a hardcore fan would love the band no matter what. Or is it the casual fans that love them no matter what? But then wouldn't that make them hardcore because they are so devoted to the music and the band? or is total devotion worthy of a softcore fan title???

Can I get a rock historian to explain this to me?

Well, for starters, I said that's when the REAL fun begins. I think all that call themselves "hardcores" understand what I am talking about, as I am sure you do too.

I spoke with a so called casual fan of U2 today who says he goes to U2 concerts expecting them to play their hits and is disappointed when they play songs he is unfamiliar with. This could be applied I suspect to the vast majority of fans who attend Stones concerts. On the other hand, many around here, that refer to themselves as hardcores, say they never tire of hearing the "classics".

I am enjoying the tour because it is enhancing (albeit slightly) the Stones legacy. To perform at the level they are performing at is nothing short of remarkable. Especially considering they are collectively roughly 70 years of age. It is a milestone achievement. Of course I would rather have them recording new music and performing that new music in clubs and theaters. Hopefully, there is still time for that once this tour is over.

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I have a question for JumpinJackOLantern.
Who are these "rock historians" that you have spoke of many times?

Don't be silly.

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

He can't rest. It's not over. The rock historians have yet to have their summit to declare the winner. Perhaps it'll be like electing the pope, white smoke for Beatles, black smoke for The Stones.

Now this is funny!

Hardcore fans understand this is their last chance to see the Stones. Hardcore fans certainly don't expect a theater or club tour or theater or club shows. Hardcore fans can read the writing on the wall. They also understand that the Stones' legacy will not really be tarnished by this tour, despite reviews like they have never reeived.

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They certainly could mix up the warhorses by 2 songs each show. Rotate and keep us guessing a little. Street Fighting Man and Rip This Joint should be considered.

Yes, and what about When The Whip Comes Down?

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I have a question for JumpinJackOLantern.
Who are these "rock historians" that you have spoke of many times?

Don't be silly.

I'm not trying to be. Can you answer the question?

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Hardcore fans understand this is their last chance to see the Stones. Hardcore fans certainly don't expect a theater or club tour or theater or club shows. Hardcore fans can read the writing on the wall. They also understand that the Stones' legacy will not really be tarnished by this tour, despite reviews like they have never reeived.

As a "hardcore" fan, I disagree with all of the above.

I don't believe this is the last chance to see the Stones.
They might play and/or tour again in the future, and that may include several club or theater shows...or even an entire tour of theater and club shows.
Even if they don't tour as we have come to know it, they still might play a one-off or a handful of theater or club shows somewhere down the line.
The Stones legacy will be tarnished by this tour if it hasn't been already...the backlash against the hight ticket price's, etc. will not go away that easily.
They are being mocked and ridiculed by thousands (millions?) of fans...hardcore and casual ...and this will be passed down from generation to generation.
They will have to swallow their expensive pride to win back all the fans that they have turned away.
By offering future shows at realistic prices, they may be able to erase some of the negativity, but it might be too little and too late.
This tour has just begun, and it's a fairly long road ahead...the critics are just beginning to sharpen their pencils.

I have seen the writing on the wall.

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I have a question for JumpinJackOLantern.
Who are these "rock historians" that you have spoke of many times?

Don't be silly.

I'm not trying to be. Can you answer the question?

You know what a historian is, correct? You also know that when I use the word "rock" I am referring to rock 'n roll, correct? A "rock historian" is a writer of rock history and an authority on or specialist in rock 'n roll history.

In 1999 a book was published on the 100 greatest race horses of the 20th century. It was a panel of writers and experts on thoroughbred racing that sat down and tried to determine the top 100. Of course even a panel of experts are subject to subjectivity, but in the end you have a general consensus. Interestingly, this book even mentions the Stones and Beatles as an example of how difficult such a task can be.



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Hardcore fans understand this is their last chance to see the Stones. Hardcore fans certainly don't expect a theater or club tour or theater or club shows. Hardcore fans can read the writing on the wall. They also understand that the Stones' legacy will not really be tarnished by this tour, despite reviews like they have never reeived.

Their legacy has been enhanced by this tour so far. They have been remarkable. They can enhance it even more by becoming song writers once again.



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Hardcore fans understand this is their last chance to see the Stones. Hardcore fans certainly don't expect a theater or club tour or theater or club shows. Hardcore fans can read the writing on the wall. They also understand that the Stones' legacy will not really be tarnished by this tour, despite reviews like they have never reeived.

As a "hardcore" fan, I disagree with all of the above.

I don't believe this is the last chance to see the Stones.
They might play and/or tour again in the future, and that may include several club or theater shows...or even an entire tour of theater and club shows.
Even if they don't tour as we have come to know it, they still might play a one-off or a handful of theater or club shows somewhere down the line.
The Stones legacy will be tarnished by this tour if it hasn't been already...the backlash against the hight ticket price's, etc. will not go away that easily.
They are being mocked and ridiculed by thousands (millions?) of fans...hardcore and casual ...and this will be passed down from generation to generation.
They will have to swallow their expensive pride to win back all the fans that they have turned away.
By offering future shows at realistic prices, they may be able to erase some of the negativity, but it might be too little and too late.
This tour has just begun, and it's a fairly long road ahead...the critics are just beginning to sharpen their pencils.

I have seen the writing on the wall.

The ticket issue will have no impact on their legacy. How they perform will. So far they have performed magnificently.

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The ticket issue will have no impact on their legacy. How they perform will. So far they have performed magnificently.

Perhaps they are playing magnificently in some people eyes, but not everyone would agree.

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And for me personally (and many others), the ticket issue has already tainted their legacy.
Still love my old Stones albums and always will, but the ticket scam has left a bad taste.

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I am a huge fan of both McCartney's (James and Paul). I have all of Paul's DVD's from the last 10 years or so. I know what he has played and what he is currently playing. I plan on seeing him this summer. I love both the Beatles and the Stones. In fact, the Stones didn't surpass the Beatles (in my mind) until I saw the 2003 HBO concert at Madison Square Garden.

Then what's all this about the secret legacy war? The Stones won it 10 years ago. It's over. You may now rest easy in knowing that your work is done.

The ref has blown the whistle. Game over.

He can't rest. It's not over. The rock historians have yet to have their summit to declare the winner. Perhaps it'll be like electing the pope, white smoke for Beatles, black smoke for The Stones.

Now this is funny!

I see some white smoke and I want to paint it black.