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back to Rollin.. The negatives are missing/gone, they wanted to use my print that came off the negative and in mint condition. The L & G negatives were stored in a place that they are no longer there. There are various prints around but the actual negatives right now or rather when I was talking with Rollin were no where to be found, and believe me they looked.

Call me a nutso but I expected sth much worse than "missing/gone". I was thinking the lot had been trashed sometime in the 70's due to a mistake or because the bill of the warehouse hadn't been paid.

Have you read this VJ? [distribpixblog.wordpress.com]
Yeah compelte pristine reels of Orson Welles' "Falstaff" found in a cache of porn. It's not the camera neg but miracles do happen.

I know these stories all to much. I myself have located footage (Mostly R & R and old TV shows) from abandon warehouses / storage facilities/ from old retired camera men's homes / Army bases overseas and that odd phone call late at night by someone that says there are all these film cans just lying around in this building where the occupants have moved out a month ago and the landlord is putting them on the street tomorrow morning "are you interested?" to name a few.
Well with the L & G footage I would say "Missing /Gone" is a pretty big thing when we are talking about "the building itself is gone" where the footage was stored!!!
This was what happened when I was helping (the late) Saul Swimmer to find all the outs & negatives from the Bangladesh film many years back.
Years ago I found the Stones "Pretty Thing"(Crawdaddy Club movie) film and the negative for Giorgio, but due to some unpaid bills I was not able to secure it at that time. So, yes I would not want to say never but it is getting more difficult as the years pass by and more and more film & negatives are being destroyed.

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back to Rollin.. The negatives are missing/gone, they wanted to use my print that came off the negative and in mint condition. The L & G negatives were stored in a place that they are no longer there. There are various prints around but the actual negatives right now or rather when I was talking with Rollin were no where to be found, and believe me they looked.

Call me a nutso but I expected sth much worse than "missing/gone". I was thinking the lot had been trashed sometime in the 70's due to a mistake or because the bill of the warehouse hadn't been paid.

Have you read this VJ? [distribpixblog.wordpress.com]
Yeah compelte pristine reels of Orson Welles' "Falstaff" found in a cache of porn. It's not the camera neg but miracles do happen.

I know these stories all to much. I myself have located footage (Mostly R & R and old TV shows) from abandon warehouses / storage facilities/ from old retired camera men's homes / Army bases overseas and that odd phone call late at night by someone that says there are all these film cans just lying around in this building where the occupants have moved out a month ago and the landlord is putting them on the street tomorrow morning "are you interested?" to name a few.
Well with the L & G footage I would say "Missing /Gone" is a pretty big thing when we are talking about "the building itself is gone" where the footage was stored!!!
This was what happened when I was helping (the late) Saul Swimmer to find all the outs & negatives from the Bangladesh film many years back.
Years ago I found the Stones "Pretty Thing"(Crawdaddy Club movie) film and the negative for Giorgio, but due to some unpaid bills I was not able to secure it at that time. So, yes I would not want to say never but it is getting more difficult as the years pass by and more and more film & negatives are being destroyed.

OMG. Have any outtakes from the Bangladesh film been preserved? That is holy grail stuff, imo.

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Many thanks for the info: by the way, I love your "Ultimate Guide to The RS". Hope some day we will see an update.

Best:
Ricardo

Thanks for your comment, But NO... My/our book is filled with way to many errors. We submitted the corrections to the publishers but the publisher never made the changes + they had editors that changed mine and Carols wording on top of that.
We had submitted 400,00 words and they cut it down to 200,00 ( my fault..that's what they asked for, I just had too much to say). We also had an index which was never put in.
Although the years 1962..98%, 1963..95% & 1964/65/66..90% are correct..It was the later years that really needed changes to be made and that we submitted
but were never put in. So I doubt we will update this book any time soon.
There are many other books that are great reads among them by Felix Aeppli/ Nico Zentgraf / Dieter Hoffmann for fact finding and sessions etc and for great tour and events stories books by Stanley Booth, Robert Greenfield and David Dalton are among the many great books and web sites out there.

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Many thanks for the info: by the way, I love your "Ultimate Guide to The RS". Hope some day we will see an update.

Best:
Ricardo

Thanks for your comment, But NO... My/our book is filled with way to many errors. We submitted the corrections to the publishers but the publisher never made the changes + they had editors that changed mine and Carols wording on top of that.
We had submitted 400,00 words and they cut it down to 200,00 ( my fault..that's what they asked for, I just had too much to say). We also had an index which was never put in.
Although the years 1962..98%, 1963..95% & 1964/65/66..90% are correct..It was the later years that really needed changes to be made and that we submitted
but were never put in. So I doubt we will update this book any time soon.
There are many other books that are great reads among them by Felix Aeppli/ Nico Zentgraf / Dieter Hoffmann for fact finding and sessions etc and for great tour and events stories books by Stanley Booth, Robert Greenfield and David Dalton are among the many great books and web sites out there.

You're right: there are some errors in the later years, but even with that errors is one of the best books available.
Of course: the books by Aeppli, Zentgraf or Hoffmann are also great but you (and Carol) have another "vision"... for example, I love the info about the backing band for each show, or the selection of pictures of the band, documents from studio sessions, acetates, rare records sleeves... very nice work!!! and that's the main reason why I'm still using your book today, combined with the data from Zentgraf, Hoffman or Aeppli.

Love to see that 400,000 words version.

Many thanks for your answer.

Best: Ricardo

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Thanks for your comment, But NO... My/our book is filled with way to many errors. We submitted the corrections to the publishers but the publisher never made the changes + they had editors that changed mine and Carols wording on top of that.
We had submitted 400,00 words and they cut it down to 200,00 ( my fault..that's what they asked for, I just had too much to say). We also had an index which was never put in.
Although the years 1962..98%, 1963..95% & 1964/65/66..90% are correct..It was the later years that really needed changes to be made and that we submitted
but were never put in. So I doubt we will update this book any time soon.
There are many other books that are great reads among them by Felix Aeppli/ Nico Zentgraf / Dieter Hoffmann for fact finding and sessions etc and for great tour and events stories books by Stanley Booth, Robert Greenfield and David Dalton are among the many great books and web sites out there.

Why not just release the corrections as a pdf file or something?

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Years ago I found the Stones "Pretty Thing"(Crawdaddy Club movie) film and the negative for Giorgio, but due to some unpaid bills I was not able to secure it at that time.

Where is that film now? Did you get to see it?

Surely Jagger or the stones would want it?

An uncle who was in the construction business was an investor in L&G back in the day. The corporation or LLC went bust and thy all lost their money. L&G was tied up in litigation for years. Not surprised to hear that the negatives were lost.

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Years ago I found the Stones "Pretty Thing"(Crawdaddy Club movie) film and the negative for Giorgio, but due to some unpaid bills I was not able to secure it at that time.

Where is that film now? Did you get to see it?

Surely Jagger or the stones would want it?

So maybe there´s still a chance that someday we´ll be able to watch this early holy grail-ish piece of history...!?

Still a chance, but of the gems Mick supposedly bought we got a snippet of their very first recording on radio, but we haven't been allowed to hear any of the early live recording.

Would anyone happen to have Urban Steel's uploads of the Philadelphia shows(mentioned on page #1 of this thread)available?

I have also been trying to find the best version of the material that was featured on 'Philadelphia Special' and was under the impression that the VGP-260 v.2 edition was the best. Then I read that the material used for that release is actually featured in the best quality on the Rattlesnake 'STP 1972', which actually seems to be true save for Midnight Rambler which is far inferior on that release.

Does Rattlesnake's STP '72 still have this material in the best quality or has another release since surpassed it?

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Would anyone happen to have Urban Steel's uploads of the Philadelphia shows(mentioned on page #1 of this thread)available?

Here's Urban Steel's Philadelphia 1972:
[iorr.org]

Please keep us posted on which recordings are best.

Thanks,
ExileStones

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I have also been trying to find the best version of the material that was featured on 'Philadelphia Special' and was under the impression that the VGP-260 v.2 edition was the best. Then I read that the material used for that release is actually featured in the best quality on the Rattlesnake 'STP 1972', which actually seems to be true save for Midnight Rambler which is far inferior on that release.

Does Rattlesnake's STP '72 still have this material in the best quality or has another release since surpassed it?

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