What do you think about this?

If Stones will go on tour in 2013, can it be without any sidemen? You know, just band with Darryl, Chuck and Bobby (I know they are sidemen, but they are important for basic sound)...

No backing vocals, no horns, no all those @#$%& things! I think that will be so cool.. Keef and Ronnie can sign backing vocals.. One keyboard, one saxophone.. Old style Stones, just like in 60s, 70s and 80s.. Like on ie Tatoo You tour..

And if HM king of bass Bill Wyman rejoin, it would be the best (and maybe last) Stones tour!

Won't happen.

No sidemen is no sidemen.

Since their bass-player is a sideman, it would sound pretty lame with just the 4 of them.

(pssst, this is one of the reasons that I don't consider them a 'real' band anymore )

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No sidemen is no sidemen.

Since their bass-player is a sideman, it would sound pretty lame with just the 4 of them.

(pssst, this is one of the reasons that I don't consider them a 'real' band anymore )

What if Ronnie played bass and Jagger on lead guitar?

didnt they just do that?

except for b acking vocals

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No sidemen is no sidemen.

Since their bass-player is a sideman, it would sound pretty lame with just the 4 of them.

(pssst, this is one of the reasons that I don't consider them a 'real' band anymore )

But they need bass player! Without bass, there is no music...

I agree that Darryl's bass playing is no true rocking-and-rolling bass playing, but if Bill doesn't return, they need Darryl

on most of their songs they recorded (also in the 70s and 80s) they used backing vocals and horns - so if they dont play live with additional musicians it wont sound like the stones

Bernard can jog on, but Lisa is essential.

I loved it when Keith and Ron used to sing but I think Mick hated it. They didn't sound "professional." They could produce some ungodly caterwauling but when they were "on" it was great. Miss those days.

Why not? Apparantly, it worked greatly at the Trabendo - only Chuck and Darryl were there.

They've had sidemen since 1969, if we include Stu.

I'd be happy when they leave out Lisa Fisher. Just can't stand her anymore.

would be great, add Mick taylor, Bill and Bobby keys.
add Ian Mac lagan instead of Chuck.Backing Vocals ..keef and ronnie.

That would be a blast

jeroen

I would like to see everyone in it.

yeah??????? dont think brian, stu and nicky will be there.

jeroen

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No sidemen is no sidemen.

Since their bass-player is a sideman, it would sound pretty lame with just the 4 of them.

(pssst, this is one of the reasons that I don't consider them a 'real' band anymore )

What if Ronnie played bass and Jagger on lead guitar?

Or Ronnie on Bass and Mick Taylor on lead?? I rmember Ronnie actually mentioning this during a Guitar magazine interview in '93.

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No sidemen is no sidemen.

Since their bass-player is a sideman, it would sound pretty lame with just the 4 of them.

(pssst, this is one of the reasons that I don't consider them a 'real' band anymore )

But they need bass player! Without bass, there is no music...

I agree that Darryl's bass playing is no true rocking-and-rolling bass playing, but if Bill doesn't return, they need Darryl

Of course they need a bass player, I was being a tad facetious. Every photo from '94 onward with 4 Rolling Stones to me has always felt... incomplete. It's like they said "bah, we've been doing this 30 years, we're rock gods now, a new full-member at this point doesn't matter, plus dividing our loot between 4 is better than five, no one we could get would matter anyways, let's just hire someone and NOT put their picture on anything. After all, it's only bass; most music fans don't even know or understand what a bass-player is or does anymore anyways."

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-18 21:04 by jamesfdouglas.

There a few basics that evolved over the years to cover off the key ellements of what became R&R. The Stones have nailed them and call upon each element when needed, scrapping one limits their range which I think is a key part of their success.

The elements up and above the rock quartet model as I see them are, first adding good old Jerry Lee style piano (covered) expanded to include the keyboard effects generated in the sities and seventies. Next you need some sass, something with attitude...sax (covered). Sax will do the trick but again the experimentation of the sixties and seventies included the highs of the trumpet, then you need some trombone to balance out the horns (covered). Last but not least I always said you need three long legged black gospel singers, now they made a slight varience here, but they do have at least one.

I love it when the come out stripped down and rockin but also appreciate their contributions to that experimentation with more involved arrangements.

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most music fans don't even know or understand what a bass-player is or does anymore anyways."

what DO they do?

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most music fans don't even know or understand what a bass-player is or does anymore anyways."

what DO they do?

stand around and look cool and hold the bottom line!

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most music fans don't even know or understand what a bass-player is or does anymore anyways."

what DO they do?

stand around and look cool and hold the bottom line!

thanks. they say you learn something new everyday. now i can take the rest of the day off. yay.

Sorry. That was a one-off show at the Trabendo club show in Paris. It will not happen on the larger stages.

Bjornulf

I think all those sidemen are nice musicians

But, Stones don't need them, even Bobby. They can play like in Paris 2012 and that will sound great! Keith and Ronnie always were great on b-vocals...

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Sorry. That was a one-off show at the Trabendo club show in Paris. It will not happen on the larger stages.

your apology is not necessary. but thanks anyway.

Ahum. Bobby Keys has been on stage with the Stones since 1969, Ian Stewart from 1962 untill the Tattoo You tour....
So I guess some sidemen are supposed to be there....

Sure they need them, because Bernard is filling in vocals when Mick is not always too strong, we saw than during these 5 shows a few times, for those who paid close attention to the vocals. Same with Lisa, guess who was duplicating the vocals when Lady Gaga was dancing around on stage in Brooklyn. Lisa was there all through the song. And so on.

It is not important for me. I could live with a rusty version of the Stones at times. But they are supposed to last for two hours two times per week. They are not in their teens anymore. And we don't want tape or playback to fill in, right?

Bjornulf

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And we don't want tape or playback to fill in, right?

hmmmm..... a tape of a 1972 performance might be nice...

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Sure they need them, because Bernard is filling in vocals when Mick is not always too strong, we saw than during these 5 shows a few times, for those who paid close attention to the vocals. Same with Lisa, guess who was duplicating the vocals when Lady Gaga was dancing around on stage in Brooklyn. Lisa was there all through the song. And so on.

It is not important for me. I could live with a rusty version of the Stones at times. But they are supposed to last for two hours two times per week. They are not in their teens anymore. And we don't want tape or playback to fill in, right?

Yes, now I think you are absolutely right. Mick needs professional backing vocals. Hi can't sing like in the 70s, but he is still great and I love him!

But I'm not sure that Stones need backing acoustic rhythm guitar (Blondie Chaplin)... That's just too much stupid!

When Keith takes the solo spot he do want two guitars behind him without playing himself at times. We have seen this in the past. The freedom to sing and perform, or even just move out to the crowd, without having to concentrate of playing all the time. Then a 2nd guitar is needed. Same with the whole show. More freedom for Keith.

Bjornulf