Just wondering where IORRians stand on this topic. Interesting stuff!!!

[www.mellencamp.com]

Undercover1

"Tell me where, under today's conditions of de facto indentured servitude, will the new artists come from? "

The same places they've always come from.

At least in Los Angeles there is NO SHORTAGE of people picking up instruments and starting bands. Every weekend I have about ten decent gigs to choose from.

Most people over 60 (or even 30) don't listen to new music so they can pretend there is some pending shortage of creativity on the horizon.

I would never pirate John Mellencamp's music, mostly because he hasn't put out anything good in a decade or more.

Nope...John's music is safe from me...

Mellencamp's position is simple: Stealing is wrong. And he is getting stolen
from, and doesn't like it, and wants it to stop, and who can blame him?

But the problem is that the most successful artists and music companies of our
time benefit from the current system. They make enormous sums of money from
pop radio, and everything else is just icing on the cake. Without admitting
it, somebody like Rihanna actually wants people to steal her music and
spread it everywhere. Because this is how she sells perfume and lingerie
and magazines and makeup and concert tickets and TV appearances etc etc etc.

Whereas Mellencamp's underwear sales figures, and radio play numbers,
are dismal. So he looks at his illegal downloads, and translates it in his mind
directly into lost CD sales.

But of course that fiction doesn't hold water anymore. There is so much
music out there that for most artists in 2013, particularly oldies like
Mellencamp and the Stones, if people weren't acquiring their music by
stealing it, they wouldn't be acquiring it at all. Some artists like the Stones
have adapted and learned how to monetize this kind of popular stealing, and
some artists like Mellencamp have not. But as long as the BIG artists (and
their companies) like Adele and Taylor Swift and One Direction and Britney
and Bieber actually benefit financially from the current system based on
FREE (radio and illegal downloads and YouTube), it will remain in place.

And that's why there is absolutely no shortage of immensely talented young
people trying to get into the music business. Like with professional athletics,
your odds of making it are long but the payoff if you do make it is mind-blowing.
Chris Brown is hardly top of the heap currently, but he just bought himself
a $750,000 Lamborghini, and when he took Rihanna for a ride in it, and she
expressed her admiration for his car, he simply handed her the keys. Just gave
it to her.

And Chris Brown has more music stolen from him every day than Mellencamp
gets stolen from him every year.



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john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

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StonesTod
john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

Springsteen maybe....what about Henley?

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superrevvy
Mellencamp's position is simple: Stealing is wrong. And he is getting stolen
from, and doesn't like it, and wants it to stop, and who can blame him?

oh, screw him. i'm stealing from him and everyone else left and right. it's the new millenium. music free for the masses.

now, shut up already, john....

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john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

Springsteen maybe....what about Henley?

the james garner character on the great escape? who doesn't like him??

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And that's why there is absolutely no shortage of immensely talented young
people trying to get into the music business. Like with professional athletics,
your odds of making are long but the payoff if you do make it is mind-blowing.
Chris Brown is hardly top of the heap currently, but he just bought himself
a $750,000 Lamborghini, and when he took Rihanna for a ride in it, and she
expressed her admiration for his car, he simply handed her the keys. Just gave
it to her.

Oh that Chris Brown, what a sweetheart! Sure makes us non-beaters look bad!
"immensely talented young people" and "chris brown" should not be in the same paragraph together. Unless you want to replace "talented" with "douchebaggy".

AYE MATEY!

LEAVE US PIRATES ALONE!

Next thing he'll be after Keith himself!

Mr. Cougar, why don't you just go back to your small town?!

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john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

springsteen´s an embarrassment ?
what about visiting next Scorpions show...
you might pick Kiss as well...

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superrevvy
And that's why there is absolutely no shortage of immensely talented young
people trying to get into the music business. Like with professional athletics,
your odds of making are long but the payoff if you do make it is mind-blowing.
Chris Brown is hardly top of the heap currently, but he just bought himself
a $750,000 Lamborghini, and when he took Rihanna for a ride in it, and she
expressed her admiration for his car, he simply handed her the keys. Just gave
it to her.

Oh that Chris Brown, what a sweetheart! Sure makes us non-beaters look bad!
"immensely talented young people" and "chris brown" should not be in the same paragraph together. Unless you want to replace "talented" with "douchebaggy".

Maybe Brown is only being used as a placebo?
If he's immensely talented that puts Bieber off the charts and then the world tips slightly left and we all fall over...its all very scientific

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john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

springsteen´s an embarrassment ?
what about visiting next Scorpions show...
you might pick Kiss as well...

i diss brucey just to rile the brucey folks up. works like a charm.

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StonesTod
john's harmless. he's less an embarrassment than springsteen. so that's something to be proud of....

springsteen´s an embarrassment ?
what about visiting next Scorpions show...
you might pick Kiss as well...

i diss brucey just to rile the brucey folks up. works like a charm.

hehe...I know.
always works as hell.

stones folks,zep folks...all kind of folks.

If I had to buy every disc that was promoted to me as a "masterpiece an "instant classic" a "must-have" etc I'd be broke and my CD shelf would stink... cos it would be full of sh!t.

In other words "piracy" is a good way for you and me to tell the good from the crap. You ahve a taste of it before you buy it. And crap music is rife alas...

Stealing is stealing. Plain and simple. I own a business, and have been embezzled by 2 dishonest employees for over $100,000. I have had clients order product and never pay for it. It sucks. I survived, still bought a new car and went on a vacation...but did not have the money I was supposed to have. Does that make their thefts somehow better?

Robbing what you have zero right to is wrong. Posting it online so hundreds others can take it is wrong. It does not matter if the artist (or anyone else) is wealthy of not. No matter what your station is life is, someone is poorer and to them, you are wealthy. I grew up in poverty. We got by at times solely on charity for food. Did that give me the right to rob from someone else who had more than I felt they could ever use?

If Mellencamp or Metallica are being robbed and want to stop it, they should be able to. Just as you should have the right to keep people from taking your stuff. Bizarre that anyone could think otherwise.

yeah, but it's fun and it's free. and the music sounds better when it's stolen. it's a scientific fact.

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buffalo7478
If Mellencamp or Metallica are being robbed and want to stop it, they should be able to. Just as you should have the right to keep people from taking your stuff. Bizarre that anyone could think otherwise.

the point is that they DO have that right. as mellencamp himself says.

but he wants MORE than that right. he wants the system to do the work for him.
but the system says, "sorry, we're making too much money the way things are.
go after the thieves yourself. sue them. law enforcement has more important
things to worry about."



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yeah, but it's fun and it's free. and the music sounds better when it's stolen. it's a scientific fact.

StonesTod's right...the full article is here:

[www.scientificamerican.com]

Here is the 2nd part of this topic....a Journalist's rebuttal...

[www.mellencamp.com]


Undercover1

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buffalo7478
Stealing is stealing. Plain and simple. I own a business, and have been embezzled by 2 dishonest employees for over $100,000. I have had clients order product and never pay for it. It sucks. I survived, still bought a new car and went on a vacation...but did not have the money I was supposed to have. Does that make their thefts somehow better?

Robbing what you have zero right to is wrong. Posting it online so hundreds others can take it is wrong. It does not matter if the artist (or anyone else) is wealthy of not. No matter what your station is life is, someone is poorer and to them, you are wealthy. I grew up in poverty. We got by at times solely on charity for food. Did that give me the right to rob from someone else who had more than I felt they could ever use?

If Mellencamp or Metallica are being robbed and want to stop it, they should be able to. Just as you should have the right to keep people from taking your stuff. Bizarre that anyone could think otherwise.

Stealing removes the original item. Downloading music is not stealing, the original is still there, so it more properly be called copying.

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StonesTod
yeah, but it's fun and it's free. and the music sounds better when it's stolen. it's a scientific fact.

StonesTod's right...the full article is here:

[www.scientificamerican.com]

actually i find pleasure in paying for the music of certain artists. the
others i watch on youtube.

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Undercover1
Here is the 2nd part of this topic....a Journalist's rebuttal...

[www.mellencamp.com]

this is one of the real jokes from mellencamp's piece:
“If I were a young songwriter today, I would be looking for another way to earn a living."

there's this young kid from newark, can't remember his name, who merely CO-WROTE
rihanna's "umbrella" and says he's made over $5 million from the one song.

as i've said, it's all about WORLDWIDE radio these days.



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buffalo7478
Stealing is stealing. Plain and simple. I own a business, and have been embezzled by 2 dishonest employees for over $100,000. I have had clients order product and never pay for it. It sucks. I survived, still bought a new car and went on a vacation...but did not have the money I was supposed to have. Does that make their thefts somehow better?

Robbing what you have zero right to is wrong. Posting it online so hundreds others can take it is wrong. It does not matter if the artist (or anyone else) is wealthy of not. No matter what your station is life is, someone is poorer and to them, you are wealthy. I grew up in poverty. We got by at times solely on charity for food. Did that give me the right to rob from someone else who had more than I felt they could ever use?

If Mellencamp or Metallica are being robbed and want to stop it, they should be able to. Just as you should have the right to keep people from taking your stuff. Bizarre that anyone could think otherwise.

Stealing removes the original item. Downloading music is not stealing, the original is still there, so it more properly be called copying.

you trying to steal my fun??

ludicrous to think that piracy is not theft. at least take the stonestod approach
to your thieving, be proud of it. gangsta pride!

"imagine your car gets stolen, but its still there in the morning"

imagine your invention gets stolen, somebody else markets it and makes ten million,
but you still have the invention in your room, so what's the problem?



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"imagine your car gets stolen, but its still there in the morning"

imagine your invention gets stolen, somebody else markets it and makes ten million,
but you still have the invention in your room, so what's the problem?

Or imagine that you can't sell your car because somebody took a copy of it.

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I think tomorrow I will make a copy of my money

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