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Jah just may be right on that one rev.
the james garner character on the great escape? who doesn't like him??[/quote]
The Scrounger[/quote]
Them too...just disgruntled old farts.
Meanwhile, almost his entire catalog is avalaible for free at streaming sites like Spotify.
I hope he know how modest his income will be on streaming services like that.
Every time a song is streamed, he'll earn $ 0.00357. Not much...
Like he writes himself (but didn't agree with), it's gone too far, and it seems to be unconquerable indeed. One has to bring the "intellectual properties" on the road these days. That's where the money is.
Second hand, somebody somewhere has bought an original and the artist has been paid (like all those second-hand tickets to the One More Shot shows?)
Home taping is killing....ahh never mind...
is there no end to this madness?
Only when the lights go down for the last time and the fat lady sings. peace
i think it's wise sometimes not to grow up...or something
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Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: January 9, 2013 00:32
But does Mellencamp have a ship...???
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
superrevvy
()
Date: January 9, 2013 00:39
here's a variation on the theme...
the airwaves legally belong to the public, and are merely licensed to the station
owners. so i would say if an artist, like adele or rihanna, are making a ton
of money off radio airplay, its not so bad to steal a copy of one of their
songs for yourself. versus stealing the work of some starving musician.
sort of the difference between stealing a loaf of bread from someone who only
has that loaf of bread and stealing a loaf of bread from donald trump.
the law may not recognize a difference, but Jah certainly does.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-09 00:41 by superrevvy.
the airwaves legally belong to the public, and are merely licensed to the station
owners. so i would say if an artist, like adele or rihanna, are making a ton
of money off radio airplay, its not so bad to steal a copy of one of their
songs for yourself. versus stealing the work of some starving musician.
sort of the difference between stealing a loaf of bread from someone who only
has that loaf of bread and stealing a loaf of bread from donald trump.
the law may not recognize a difference, but Jah certainly does.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-09 00:41 by superrevvy.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: January 9, 2013 00:41
........okay let's high-jack a bread truck and pinch a muffin...!!!!
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: January 9, 2013 00:49
Quote
superrevvy
here's a variation on the theme...
the airwaves legally belong to the public, and are merely licensed to the station
owners. so i would say if an artist, like adele or rihanna, are making a ton
of money off radio airplay, its not so bad to steal a copy of one of their
songs for yourself. versus stealing the work of some starving musician.
sort of the difference between stealing a loaf of bread from someone who only
has that loaf of bread and stealing a loaf of bread from donald trump.
the law may not recognize a difference, but Jah certainly does.
Jah just may be right on that one rev.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Dan
()
Date: January 9, 2013 00:53
It's certainly leveled the playing field between commercial and independent music.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: January 9, 2013 02:17
He's just pissed nobody cares about his music which has become [mostly] political rants. Reap what you sew JCM.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
virgil
()
Date: January 9, 2013 03:00
Springsteen maybe....what about Henley?[/quote]
the james garner character on the great escape? who doesn't like him??[/quote]
The Scrounger
the james garner character on the great escape? who doesn't like him??[/quote]
The Scrounger
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: January 9, 2013 03:03
Quote
virgil
Springsteen maybe....what about Henley?
the james garner character on the great escape? who doesn't like him??[/quote]
The Scrounger[/quote]
Them too...just disgruntled old farts.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: January 9, 2013 04:15
Wow, this horse left the barn over a decade ago and people are still going on about it.
Did we learn nothing from the Mayans?
The world is still turning folks and download speeds are better than ever.
How I love progress.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-09 04:17 by andrewt.
Did we learn nothing from the Mayans?
The world is still turning folks and download speeds are better than ever.
How I love progress.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-09 04:17 by andrewt.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: January 9, 2013 06:06
I read this kind of stuff and then I read a story like below:
Taylor Swift's 'Red': 1.21 million in first-week sales
October 30, 2012|By Randy Lewis
The tally is in, and Taylor Swift’s “Red” album sold 1.208 million copies during its first week of release, according to Nielsen SoundScan, the biggest single-week sales figure in more than a decade.
(Full story here >>> [articles.latimes.com] )
Every time I read about the demise of the music industry, I next read some story about Lil Wayne or Katy Perry selling millions.
Taylor Swift's 'Red': 1.21 million in first-week sales
October 30, 2012|By Randy Lewis
The tally is in, and Taylor Swift’s “Red” album sold 1.208 million copies during its first week of release, according to Nielsen SoundScan, the biggest single-week sales figure in more than a decade.
(Full story here >>> [articles.latimes.com] )
Every time I read about the demise of the music industry, I next read some story about Lil Wayne or Katy Perry selling millions.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: January 9, 2013 10:33
Quote
superrevvy
Mellencamp's position is simple: Stealing is wrong. And he is getting stolen
from, and doesn't like it, and wants it to stop, and who can blame him?
But the problem is that the most successful artists and music companies of our
time benefit from the current system. They make enormous sums of money from
pop radio, and everything else is just icing on the cake. Without admitting
it, somebody like Rihanna actually wants people to steal her music and
spread it everywhere. Because this is how she sells perfume and lingerie
and magazines and makeup and concert tickets and TV appearances etc etc etc.
Whereas Mellencamp's underwear sales figures, and radio play numbers,
are dismal. So he looks at his illegal downloads, and translates it in his mind
directly into lost CD sales.
But of course that fiction doesn't hold water anymore. There is so much
music out there that for most artists in 2013, particularly oldies like
Mellencamp and the Stones, if people weren't acquiring their music by
stealing it, they wouldn't be acquiring it at all. Some artists like the Stones
have adapted and learned how to monetize this kind of popular stealing, and
some artists like Mellencamp have not. But as long as the BIG artists (and
their companies) like Adele and Taylor Swift and One Direction and Britney
and Bieber actually benefit financially from the current system based on
FREE (radio and illegal downloads and YouTube), it will remain in place.
And that's why there is absolutely no shortage of immensely talented young
people trying to get into the music business. Like with professional athletics,
your odds of making it are long but the payoff if you do make it is mind-blowing.
Chris Brown is hardly top of the heap currently, but he just bought himself
a $750,000 Lamborghini, and when he took Rihanna for a ride in it, and she
expressed her admiration for his car, he simply handed her the keys. Just gave
it to her.
And Chris Brown has more music stolen from him every day than Mellencamp
gets stolen from him every year.
Meanwhile, almost his entire catalog is avalaible for free at streaming sites like Spotify.
I hope he know how modest his income will be on streaming services like that.
Every time a song is streamed, he'll earn $ 0.00357. Not much...
Like he writes himself (but didn't agree with), it's gone too far, and it seems to be unconquerable indeed. One has to bring the "intellectual properties" on the road these days. That's where the money is.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Green Lady
()
Date: January 9, 2013 10:55
The trouble is that in the Internet age, copyright has become a dirty word - the reason why you can't see or hear what you want to, because somebody somewhere (and usually a faceless corporation, not a starving artist) says "this belongs to us, so you can't hear it". Trying to control YouTube or Google is like trying to make people put a penny in the slot every time they want to listen to a song on the radio - it can't be made to work, and the only answer the copyright police seem to have is getting things removed and sites shut down - which just makes people resentful and "copyright" a dirty word....
On the other hand, it ought to be possible to make Google and YouTube, rather than the listener, put the penny in the slot. Free-to-air radio and TV stations manage to make a living off their advertising in spite of having to pay royalties, and if Google can tell how many links, legal or illegal, it has to music by John Mellencamp (and it can), then it should be possible to work out some kind of fair fee, instead of clamouring for things to only be available via old fashioned distribution methods or only in certain countries.
Like Superrevvy, I'm very happy to pay to own a copy of music I love, but I also love the freedom of the internet. This issue shouldn't be about copyright-driven censorship, but about finding a way of rewarding the artist that works with the new technology.
On the other hand, it ought to be possible to make Google and YouTube, rather than the listener, put the penny in the slot. Free-to-air radio and TV stations manage to make a living off their advertising in spite of having to pay royalties, and if Google can tell how many links, legal or illegal, it has to music by John Mellencamp (and it can), then it should be possible to work out some kind of fair fee, instead of clamouring for things to only be available via old fashioned distribution methods or only in certain countries.
Like Superrevvy, I'm very happy to pay to own a copy of music I love, but I also love the freedom of the internet. This issue shouldn't be about copyright-driven censorship, but about finding a way of rewarding the artist that works with the new technology.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
DoomandGloom
()
Date: January 9, 2013 11:07
John Cougar lost his right to complain when he sold his flag waving crap to Ford and we were forced to listen over and during the Super Bowl. You can play it both ways and sell out to commercials for millions and then complain about the realties of today's music biz but john sold his credibility years ago. Stick a fork in him he's done. Metellica has become invisible because of their holy stance.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
lapaz62
()
Date: January 9, 2013 14:07
Better stop second hand selling too then, nobody but the seller gets any money, not sure if Ebay gives a percentage back to the record company, I doubt it.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Green Lady
()
Date: January 9, 2013 14:49
Quote
lapaz62
Better stop second hand selling too then, nobody but the seller gets any money, not sure if Ebay gives a percentage back to the record company, I doubt it.
Second hand, somebody somewhere has bought an original and the artist has been paid (like all those second-hand tickets to the One More Shot shows?)
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
BILLPERKS
()
Date: January 9, 2013 16:37
JM IS FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE..
HOWEVER,HIS LAST 3 ALBUMS HAVE BEEN THE BEST OF HIS CAREER,HE'S WRITING HONEST MUSIC AND DOING THINGS HIS WAY.
HOWEVER,HIS LAST 3 ALBUMS HAVE BEEN THE BEST OF HIS CAREER,HE'S WRITING HONEST MUSIC AND DOING THINGS HIS WAY.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: January 9, 2013 17:25
Piracy has ruined the music business. For songwriters and recording artists this translates to minimum value being attached to the same hard work and creative property.
Books and other creative projects are kind of on the block too (are you listening hb).I think this is partly why Google is making such an effort to digitize all these and get control of that huge enterprise.
Here on IORR we obviously value music and musicians and really should be supportive of them and careful how we treat this issue.
I personally think piracy should be illegal and in this day and age where the government can read every one of our emails and text messages I think we could easily devise a system of accountability for people stealing music online.
As far as John Cougar (ahem Mellencamp) is concerned, he should consider writing a book before that last bastion of royalty earning is decimated by the digital age.
Another real problem with this age of free music is that it doesn't allow for a decent career path for new and upcoming recording artists. There is no incentive to make great great records anymore and it sure shows. peace
Books and other creative projects are kind of on the block too (are you listening hb).I think this is partly why Google is making such an effort to digitize all these and get control of that huge enterprise.
Here on IORR we obviously value music and musicians and really should be supportive of them and careful how we treat this issue.
I personally think piracy should be illegal and in this day and age where the government can read every one of our emails and text messages I think we could easily devise a system of accountability for people stealing music online.
As far as John Cougar (ahem Mellencamp) is concerned, he should consider writing a book before that last bastion of royalty earning is decimated by the digital age.
Another real problem with this age of free music is that it doesn't allow for a decent career path for new and upcoming recording artists. There is no incentive to make great great records anymore and it sure shows. peace
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: January 9, 2013 17:45
Quote
lapaz62
Better stop second hand selling too then, nobody but the seller gets any money, not sure if Ebay gives a percentage back to the record company, I doubt it.
Home taping is killing....ahh never mind...
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: January 9, 2013 17:54
Quote
Naturalust
I personally think
is there no end to this madness?
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Naturalust
()
Date: January 9, 2013 18:09
Quote
StonesTodQuote
Naturalust
I personally think
is there no end to this madness?
Only when the lights go down for the last time and the fat lady sings. peace
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: January 9, 2013 18:36
Seems that if artists really are fed up with a lack of CD sales that they should just stop putting them out and recall all copies that are in circulation and go strictly with on-line sales.
Or only print up so many copies and make it a (very) limited run since most artists are now lucky to sell 300,000 copies across the United States just print 300,000 copies. How many Stones CDs you see sitting on a shelf? I've seen the same ones sitting on the shelf at Best Buy for MONTHS. Certainly there are quite a lot of thousands of copies of whatever albums out there - for any artist - that will never be purchased.
Going to strictly on-line distribution could work. A majority don't care about the audio quality or artwork - and ironically (I guess) you can have both with a CD compared to an iWhatever.
Or only print up so many copies and make it a (very) limited run since most artists are now lucky to sell 300,000 copies across the United States just print 300,000 copies. How many Stones CDs you see sitting on a shelf? I've seen the same ones sitting on the shelf at Best Buy for MONTHS. Certainly there are quite a lot of thousands of copies of whatever albums out there - for any artist - that will never be purchased.
Going to strictly on-line distribution could work. A majority don't care about the audio quality or artwork - and ironically (I guess) you can have both with a CD compared to an iWhatever.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
chrism13
()
Date: January 9, 2013 20:41
John has a valid point about stealing. Copule of random thoughts... I believe it is ASCAP that has never lost a legal case. So they spend money protecting their rights. They will go into bars and demand payment for songs being played by a cover band or on a CD. They will not get payment or take your to court and they never lose. Would preventing piracey bring the concert ticket prices down as part of the skyrocting concert ticket prices are a result of loss of revenue on CD/record side of the coin? I prefer the Grateful Dead approach...let people record & trade "unoffical" releases & use it as a promotional tool. I know Dylan and his lable crack down on that stuff...you can't find any Dylan stuff on youtube. Does not make me go buy more Dylan stuff...I just listen to more Dead.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
Title5Take1
()
Date: January 9, 2013 21:00
I can actually sing, but I have a friend who just can't and is very jealous of those who can and has said about piracy, "It's just dumb genetic luck to be born with a singing voice, so I'm not going to feel sorry for Alicia Keys not making every penny possible off that lottery ticket." Which is one perspective!
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
sweet neo con
()
Date: January 9, 2013 23:49
Obviously, as someone who creates "intellectual property" myself, I tend to agree (in theory) with Mellencamp but I'm also a realist.
As a teen, I duped friends' albums to cassette, stole a record from the record store and even copied a cd or 2 in college. I have a strong hunch that Mellencamp has a similar history.
I guess the times ...they are a changing. Copy-guards?!??! I know they exists for DVDs & tv channels...not sure if it exists for music CDs or downloads.
As an adult, I don't practice or condone any form of stealing.....It might be up to the music/movie industry & internet to stay one step ahead...just like stores protect themselves from shoplifters.
IORR............but I like it!
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-10 00:14 by sweet neo con.
As a teen, I duped friends' albums to cassette, stole a record from the record store and even copied a cd or 2 in college. I have a strong hunch that Mellencamp has a similar history.
I guess the times ...they are a changing. Copy-guards?!??! I know they exists for DVDs & tv channels...not sure if it exists for music CDs or downloads.
As an adult, I don't practice or condone any form of stealing.....It might be up to the music/movie industry & internet to stay one step ahead...just like stores protect themselves from shoplifters.
IORR............but I like it!
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2013-01-10 00:14 by sweet neo con.
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: January 10, 2013 00:25
Quote
sweet neo con
As an adult, I don't practice or condone any form of stealing......
i think it's wise sometimes not to grow up...or something
Re: OT: Mellencamp's efforts against piracy.
Posted by:
uhbuhgullayew
()
Date: January 10, 2013 00:35
Mellencamp pirated "Cougar"
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