Re: Ronnie's lead on "YCAGWYW" 1975
Date: January 19, 2005 11:56
MCDDTLC,I see your point, and I am glad that you feel you have the right to disagee with me and others, because as you state at the end, it is your opinion. But Logie, Jesus Christ, excuse me for having an opinion that is different from yours! I certainly never told either of you or other fans of MT to take a piss or accused you of being an idiot. In fact, I pointed out before hand to Milo that someone was going to take way too much offense for us having opinions and try to crucify us. I just never expected the attacks to be so vitriolic and personal. I would not ask you to leave the site for having an opinion. I have enjoyed expressing mine here for several years. I screamed and yelled at no one in my posts as you accuse, merely gave you my thougts, and expressed some happiness at finding people who agreed with me. At every step I agreed that MT plays damn fine guitar, but I just feel so do lots of other people. MCDDTLC mentions a few that are famous but have had some career troubles. The comparison with Patti Scialfa was not at all about intrumental prowess, but about a well known fact that sometimes, success in entertainment is about being with the right people at the right time at the right place.
And Logie, I have an undergrad degree in two languages, so while I agree that my missives were not and were not meant to be literary masterpieces, they are not garbage because we disagree. They were light hearted opinions. I am with you when you imply that neither my two degrees , nor your vaunted three, guarantees that we will not write garbage. Personally I feel that some of the attacks you have made in this thread at least border upon garbage. However, I undeniably in the name of freedom of speech defend the right of you, I, or anybody to write garbage anytime they want to on this site. No one has made you the web master, and BV declines the position of censoring ideas. Having an opinion different than yours, no matter what you may feel, is not an indication of me being intellectually challenged as you accuse.
I have no issue with MT at all, depsite what you think. I do not even know the man, so I find it hard to have issue with him. Though I am strongly beginning to supect that you have issues with disagreements or ideas that conflict with your beliefs. I categorically deny any childish disrespect for Mr. Taylor, contrary to your accusation, even admitting his talent and the fact that he was the right man for the right time. I have paid to attend some of his shows,and will pay again. At the risk of raising your ire further, I did not find him to be the "sweetest guitar player" on the planet as you claim he is. For me, none of the guitarists in this group, past or present, earn that title or can stand ground with Segovia, or even Al Dimeola to risk starting another tirade. Of the times I saw MT with his own band, he was very good on one night, and technically proficient on another but he bordered on sedate, near boring; people in the audience were talking over the tables for Christ's sake. I categorically deny ever having said that he has never progessed or that he has done nothing since leaving the Stones, only that I have not recieved pleasure from it. I always thought I had the right to like what I wanted without being degraded because of my choices. As for any issues with you or people that enjoy MT, I must say again I have no issues with you, do not know you in the least , will not loose sleep over any of this, and cannot imagine in any way how you personalized all of this and became so worked up. I do , again, affirm my right to disagree 100 % with you on the talent or relative historical value of any artist, living or dead. That is part of being inquisitive an open minded. I also have to admit, with some hesitance, I have no desire to get to know you after these attacks.
As for comparing MT to a pub player, I just have to say that both of the last two shows I have seen MT in WERE IN PUBS! I am unaware,in fact of any areana shows that MT has done as a headliner, though I am willing to learn about such an event. What is demeaning about being a Pub Player? I did not know that Robert Johnson filled arenas, yet no one sees that as any comment about his talent. So by saying that MT plays wonderful lead guitar in pubs around the world, where am I wrong? I doubt that he could take offense with that fact being stated and find it a bit strange that you do, Logie. As for my infantile understanding of music, as you put it, I am not on par with even say Mathijs, but I have played and sang for 30 years now, and even earned money now and then doing it. I attended one of the finest Jazz Educations schools in The USA to finish my first college degree, and feel I know more than many in this world. But, that is all moot, I know what I like, no matter what, and that is not based on my knowledge of music, no matter how infantile anyone else may find it. Afgain, I emphasize that by saying this I have not said that I do not like the guitar work of MT. I merely do not find it as earth shaking as some. As I have said earlier, even at his peak, for me, it is a far cry from the sweetest playing on earth as you term it. I am happy for MT that he has that affect on someone, though I would guess that he, or almost any other artist, would find that kind of idolatry a bit discomforting.
I do not, as you say, need to "make points" either with anyone on this board , or anywhere else for that matter. My life is full and I have my friends. I have struck up some interesting relationships on this board and a few of the others over the years. It does not bother me in the least that you like me or not, or anyone else around here for that matter. I am too self assured to need your approval, or anyone else here. I am also arrogant enough to have taken issue with what I feel are your unqualified and unjustified name calling attacks and invitations to leave. Additionally, I find it a bit ironic, to say the least, that someone on this board would attack people for going to a current Stones show by calling them names and questioning their intelligence, when most people that post here will be paying for tickets on the next tour. The man that sponsers and runs this board will spend a good portion of his time travelling from show to show, and maybe I will be lucky enough to run into him again somewhere. To attack Stoens fans here for going to the shows is a bit akin to stepping into the lion's den and asking "who in the Hell stinks like cat piss?"
So, in closing, let me first of all apologize to bassplayer, and to all the other members of the board for taking up this much cyberspace with thsi missive. Logie, I would be happy to discuss any of this over a beer on the next tour, or anyhwere, good heartedly or seriously, as long as you could take some kidding and not get so angry about it all. Lastly, I have to say Logie, whatever pissed you off, in the 48 years of my life, I have never had anyone write to me or about me so hatefully that I have not slept with at some time! So whatever it is, bro, get over it! It is, after all, Only Rock and Roll!!!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2005-01-19 11:59 by kahoosier.