If they were thanking the fans they would be performing for FREE not asking me for $750.

This is just troll crap. If the person had actually followed the Stones in the past, he/she would know that there have been a few (although not that many) pretty nice gestures to fans by the band or its management (not sure which). As recently as the Bigger Bang tour, the Stones stayed with a general admission pitch for European stadium tours. And for many shows with seated pitch, there were "hidden" ticket offerings of the first 10 rows for $50 - $100 apiece. I was only able to get them once, for Twickenham in 2006, but I was pretty happy. And, of course, my biggest "get" as a Stones fan was my $28 ticket, purchased through Ticketmaster on the day of the sale, for the Beacon Show. They could have charged thousands of dollars for those few tickets that were made available, but they didn't.

don't lose faith. The Stones may still have something like the Rio show planned for the States or for Europe. Time will tell.



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What a stupid view on this subject!
I've been spending lots of money since 1964.
So now when I can't afford it anymore then I'm not a Stones fan anymore?

Well then I am happy to leave the fanhood behind me. Why?
Because the Rolling Stones are not ROCK AND ROLL anymore!
They're a corporation doing everything they can to suck you for every penny you've got.

I certainly hope for the people that bought tix that the Stones deliver at their best in these 4 shows because if they don't it might be all over for the GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL BAND in the world.
It's a high risk project and it can possibly blow up in a disaster.

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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I don't think the rolling stones org. uses the word "fans" very often if at all.
May be in the early 60's they did but nowadays they see us as "customers". I know it kinda suck the romanticism out of the relationship, but I am afraid that is a more realistic way of looking at it.
Rock and Roll,
Mops

We are clients

Well, here in Japan, since there are no shows, real fans can enjoy the Japan Premiere of Crossfire Hurricane - November 7, JPY 6900 (about $90) for the movie and a commemorative T-Shirt. Drinks are available, but are not included in the price of the ticket.

[www.fujipacific.co.jp]

And, on behalf of all of the REAL fans, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the band for all of the wonderful things they have done for us recently - from the collectors' pinball machine, to the machine-signed Brussels box to the VIP concert tickets.

OK, if I've done my math correctly, then:

A real Stones fan = $$$$$

so, if we are $ or even $$$$ for that matter, we could not be a real fan.
I guess that makes sense

A real fan from the other real fan thread.



I wish I knew her.

We could be real fans together or something.

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1) I had a good floor seat, not a great seat, at Shea in 89. Yet still, the woman
directly in front of me was wearing a mink jacket and diamonds.

2) My sister, who has basically no interest in the Stones or in music, is
going to the Pru, two tix at a thousand per.

3) Prior to Cohl and 89, the Stones really didn't have all that much money,
at least by current standards. Despite being the greatest ever.

4) If the Stones were completely dependent on what we on this board think of
as "real" fans, they would have long since been reduced to one-tenth their
net worth. If not less.

5) Every act in the world measures real fans by how much those fans spend to
support them. Doesn't matter if you're talking J Geils, Dylan or Rihanna.

6) In summary, REAL Stones fans are those who have spent BIG on the Stones
since 1989, and those are overwhelmingly casual tourist status event junkies.

7) And how do you screen out the fake fans, the cheapskates and hangers-on
and hardcore complainers, like most of us, and reward your REAL fans? Easy.

Have to disagree with item 5 of your argument.

Here's the difference between a casual fan and a real fan. A casual fan maybe knows a handful of well-known Stones songs and maybe likes a fraction of those. A real fan knows most or all of the catalog and likes most or all of what they know.

What has money got to do with it? Suppose someone they know--a sibling, parent or friend--loaned them the albums to copy. The fan may not have bought the albums, but still enjoys listening to the music. Or maybe the fan doesn't like the stadium environment of concerts and has DVDs instead--and what if said DVDs were Christmas or birthday presents? And what if said fan didn't have to purchase a concert ticket, but attends as the guest of someone who has purchased a ticket? Does that make this fan less of a fan because said fan didn't make the purchase?

Being a fan is something akin to the heart, rather than the wallet.

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How about these shows being a special birthday celebration. Who needs another reason? If they can't tour then it at least gives the opportunity for some fans to see them.

I agree, also with Witness who posted above. These dates are what the Stones could get together for 2012 to mark their anniversary. Richard Branson's money forced the issue. The PPV serves both purposes, allowing more of their audience a way to see the shows, and making even more money. They are planning a major tour for 2013. It is not expected to be a multi-year sort of thing, but should take up most of next year. They could have tried to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers, but obviously did not. I doubt the tickets will be as expensive in 2013, but neither will they be cheap.

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A real fan from the other real fan thread.



I wish I knew her.

We could be real fans together or something.

GB, you're spending too much time thinking about her. She probably looks like Marianne F does today--that is, you wouldn't even recognize her from that photo. You recall that Who song Pictures Of Lily....

[www.youtube.com]

Really I don't know why there's so much angst about the ticket prices. If people want to pay oodles of cash to see them then what the hell thats up to them. I expect they'll do some more realistically priced shows later on (or maybe not). The band may even be a better functioning unit then.
It's good that they plan at least one of the shows to be a pay-per-view. No doubt they'll be recording all of them, so some kind of 50th anniversary audio/DVD release might be forthcoming before new shows are performed.

Gimme a new double CD of new/unreleased material which is easily doable and can another greatest hits release. Jagger has gone to the greatest hits well one too many times.If he wanted to ,he could have blown us away. I think Mick realizes he can make more money repackaging the hits rather than releasing a new CD.

in show business people are not known as "fans" they are customers.

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Gimme a new double CD of new/unreleased material which is easily doable and can another greatest hits release. Jagger has gone to the greatest hits well one too many times.If he wanted to ,he could have blown us away. I think Mick realizes he can make more money repackaging the hits rather than releasing a new CD.

Replace Jagger with the stones and he with they.

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Midnight Toker
Gimme a new double CD of new/unreleased material which is easily doable and can another greatest hits release. Jagger has gone to the greatest hits well one too many times.If he wanted to ,he could have blown us away. I think Mick realizes he can make more money repackaging the hits rather than releasing a new CD.

Releasing yet another grrreatest hits set is just confirming that they are now creatively dead - two songs in five years... come on! . At one time it would be unthinkable to go on the road without new material to perform - that was seen as desperation and a sign that the band had turned into a nostalgia outfit - well ditto! Once they are back together and performing perhaps they'll find the energy (they're getting on a bit) to work up new material.. Is there another album in them?

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5) Every act in the world measures real fans by how much those fans spend to
support them. Doesn't matter if you're talking J Geils, Dylan or Rihanna.

Have to disagree with item 5 of your argument.

Being a fan is something akin to the heart, rather than the wallet.

From your perspective, stonesnow, from a hardcore fan's perspective,
not from the perspective of the artist.

A serious painter, one that is intent on pleasing themself with their work, and
won't setttle for less, could give a shit how many compliments they get from
their "fans", or how knowlegable their "fans" are. All they want to know is,
"who's buying these freaking canvases? There's this old vineyard in Tuscany
I got my eye on, and my lover needs more shoes."

Anyway, as I kinda said in another thread, THIS right here right now, all this
drama over some stupid tickets, IS the show. It is more the show that these
four shit concerts could ever be. And it's all FREE.

Instead of complaining, people who are priced out of these concerts should be
writing Mick warm thank-you notes. That their souls have been spared.



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superrevvy
5) Every act in the world measures real fans by how much those fans spend to
support them. Doesn't matter if you're talking J Geils, Dylan or Rihanna.

Have to disagree with item 5 of your argument.

Being a fan is something akin to the heart, rather than the wallet.

From your perspective, stonesnow, from a hardcore fan's perspective,
not from the perspective of the artist.

A serious painter, one that is intent on pleasing themself with their work, and
won't setttle for less, could give a shit how many compliments they get from
their "fans", or how knowlegable their "fans" are. All they want to know is,
"who's buying these freaking canvases? There's this old vineyard in Tuscany
I got my eye on, and my lover needs more shoes."

Anyway, as I kinda said in another thread, THIS right here right now, all this
drama over some stupid tickets, IS the show. It is more the show that these
four shit concerts could ever be. And it's all FREE.

Instead of complaining, people who are priced out of these concerts should be
writing Mick warm thank-you notes. That their souls have been spared.

Yes, I get your point, but item 5 of your original argument still contends that every act in the world holds the same contemptuous argument of "Just gimme your money and dance suckers," and to that I still disagree because there's no proof of this. Pearl Jam for one has been a notable exception, as has Neil Young. I could name a few more, as could others here, so there goes your argument....

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GravityBoy
A real fan from the other real fan thread.



I wish I knew her.

We could be real fans together or something.

No reason why she can't be included in every thread from now on!

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Really I don't know why there's so much angst about the ticket prices. If people want to pay oodles of cash to see them then what the hell thats up to them. I expect they'll do some more realistically priced shows later on (or maybe not). The band may even be a better functioning unit then.
It's good that they plan at least one of the shows to be a pay-per-view. No doubt they'll be recording all of them, so some kind of 50th anniversary audio/DVD release might be forthcoming before new shows are performed.

Right on! I think all they are doing is getting the rich folk out of the way with these 4 shows and then next year it's our turn...

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GravityBoy
A real fan from the other real fan thread.



I wish I knew her.

We could be real fans together or something.

No reason why she can't be included in every thread from now on!

Can I make her a sticky or something?

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stonesnow
Yes, I get your point, but item 5 of your original argument still contends that every act in the world holds the same contemptuous argument of "Just gimme your money and dance suckers," and to that I still disagree because there's no proof of this. Pearl Jam for one has been a notable exception, as has Neil Young. I could name a few more, as could others here, so there goes your argument....

Pearl Jam? I said serious artist.

There's nothing contemptuous whatsoever about charging what the market will bear.
But I do think there's something contemptuous about charging less than that. It
is very disrespectful to devalue art like that. In the case of Pearl Jam
particularly, their determination to transform themselves from stars to asterisks
was particularly upsetting. Its just cowardice really.

"If I don't charge too much for it, nobody will expect very much, so I don't have
to stress anymore. I can just enjoy my wife, my kids, my bank account, and still
come off as some kind of hero"

Under-charging is the exact same thing as quitting, just much less honest.

Pandering is not art. And nobody panders more than Pearl Jam and Neil Young.
Except maybe Springsteen.



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Im a real fan and the only way to thank me is to let me see and hear everything with Brian Jones and everything with Keith from 1968/ everything from 70s and early 80s.

C'mon Mick! Pleeeeease drive me home - to the archives.

What a lot of tosh by the original poster,go out and mow the lawn.

If you click on
Homepage,
do you find anything about "these four shows"?
I think the page was made by a real fan, wasn't it?

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caesar
If you click on
Homepage,
do you find anything about "these four shows"?
I think the page was made by a real fan, wasn't it?

The news section?

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caesar
If you click on
Homepage,
do you find anything about "these four shows"?
I think the page was made by a real fan, wasn't it?

The news section?

I was refering to a link. Like
"A Bigger Bang
The new album"
or
"Licks Tour 2002-03"
or
"World Tour 2005 - 2007"
or a photo, anything.
But the homepage does not say
"Wow, it's the biggest part of
Rolling Stones history - four tremendous shows!"
Sometimes, if you don't say a word, you say alot!

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caesar
If you click on
Homepage,
do you find anything about "these four shows"?
I think the page was made by a real fan, wasn't it?

The news section?

I was refering to a link. Like
"A Bigger Bang
The new album"
or
"Licks Tour 2002-03"
or
"World Tour 2005 - 2007"
or a photo, anything.
But the homepage does not say
"Wow, it's the biggest part of
Rolling Stones history - four tremendous shows!"
Sometimes, if you don't say a word, you say alot!

It might have something to do with the amount of shows. If, say, there will be a 2013-tour, there will be a link for that as well, I guess.