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Munich, you're right, I'll give it a rest. I'm caught up in US politics, and Jagger's fund raiser attendance, combined with his socio-political lyrics is so hypocritical in light of his true capitalist nature, which he should take pride in publically, or lyrically. I for one would applaud the honesty, and I'm in no way a one-percenter. I guess it's the hypocrisy that gets me.

Hypocrisy is the lube of politics. Didn't you see that debate?
What can a poor boy do?

Obama's a socialist according to some people. Maybe it's just faux-socialist rhetoric on his part though.
We should listen to rock stars if we want to solve the world's problems. Vegetables by the Beach Boys (check out The Smile Sessions) demonstrates the importance of a healthy diet,laughter and exercise. Mind you going back to Paul's original point it was written by a big fat guy who stayed in bed for two years stuffing his face full of drugs and hamburgers and destroyed his once beautiful voice with ciggies and cocaine,shagged his wife's sister and offered drugs to his kid's (allegedley) and tried to bum cigarettes from their school bus driver while wearing a dressing gown.
Brian Wilson for President.

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Good thing you really are not a capitalist, Sir Mick. I mean really, free enterprise is a greater evil than government dominating every aspect of society. I look forward to the keys to the Villa, Chateau and $10 concert tix. Oh wait, you mean that's not how it works? Gee, I was mislead.

Excellent points. At least it's not another Sweet Neo-con disaster.

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Good thing you really are not a capitalist, Sir Mick. I mean really, free enterprise is a greater evil than government dominating every aspect of society. I look forward to the keys to the Villa, Chateau and $10 concert tix. Oh wait, you mean that's not how it works? Gee, I was mislead.

Go for a long walk,(deep breaths) Paul, you will feel and think better I'm on the wagon!!!!

Paul, stop pissing off the vast majority here who get pissed when you do not agree with them and their politics

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PaulM's point is a valid one. I can only assume Mick's chastising the rich fellow "for locking the door and putting his feet up on the couch" will translate into $35 tickets for the upcoming shows.

No, it's not valid. It's perfectly possible being concerned of how the world develops and making money on your profession at the same time.

Right. He gets rich off the 98% and becomes the 1% but he's still down with the struggle whilst selling tickets that only the 1% can realistically afford. Nope, no hypocrisy there.

This thread has seemed to inspire some cogent, albeit predictably opposing viewpoints. My thread title is a little harsh and I'm sorry about that. bestfour, I do walk and practice deep breathing, but thanks for reminding me.

The Rolling Stones is a privately held financial juggernaut, with some remaining artistry thrown in. If Mick and the boys' lyrics and music reflected how they are actually living, the joys, trials and tribulations they really experience, rather than aligning themselves (or at least MJ) with liberal politics, as the champion of everyman, while hypocritically charging exorbitant ticket prices, regurgitated box sets, proprietary wine, etc., that would get my attention. As a band, they have failed to reinvent themselves artistically as a megalithic financial institution, whereas in the past, their reinventions had some kind of foundations, socially, culturally, lyrically, etc.

So the question is, how do they represent who they are as a band today, in a way that is genuine? Would be a paradigm shift from what we or even they would expect, but would be welcome nonetheless, coming from a band who used to throw convention out the window.

For the moment though, it ain't happenin'...



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Paul, stop pissing off the vast majority here who get pissed when you do not agree with them and their politics

That pisses me off

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didn't they move to france to avoid socialism?

In 1971 - when the Conservative Party were in power?

Not quite!

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PaulM's point is a valid one. I can only assume Mick's chastising the rich fellow "for locking the door and putting his feet up on the couch" will translate into $35 tickets for the upcoming shows.

No, it's not valid. It's perfectly possible being concerned of how the world develops and making money on your profession at the same time.

Right. He gets rich off the 98% and becomes the 1% but he's still down with the struggle whilst selling tickets that only the 1% can realistically afford. Nope, no hypocrisy there.

To say the song is 'faux socialist' is a heck of a stretch, but thats an otherwise fair comment.

From now on, Mick will just write songs about the joys of consumerism, selling, prisons-for-profit, defense industry earnings per share, lies about peak oil, and oppressed & abused third world workers making Phil Knight's tennis shoes.



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lmfao, this thread is twisted. It's only Rock and Roll and the Stones have put out a decent NEW tune here. It's not a political statement it's a friggin' rock song. At least we can understand what he is saying. I like Charlie's drumming on the track, like the guitars, not so much the vocal. It could use Bill Wyman and some funky piano fills, imho.

People are taking his words much too seriously here, this is not a political statement. Get real. peace

Wow. Just listened to it on YouTube. Must say I'm really, really disappointed. I really like the music a lot - it's got a nice beat to it, and I think it could have been something, but lyrically it is so bland. For all of those that complained about the lyrics on ABB that I never understood. I know now what you meant. This has got to be some of the very weakest song-writing, lyrically, that they've ever done. So basic and predictable. No high-falooting words, or even attempts at stretching rhymes. Thank the Lord I've discovered some other music to keep me occupied these days!! I'm very saddened that it's come to this.

Still trying to find the revolutionary anti-capitalist rhetoric in this song.....


"When the drums go boom boom boom." Perhaps a call to arms?

You right-wing nut jobs see a commie hiding behind every bush. The big question to ask about this song and every rock and roll song is: Can you dance to it?

In the case of "Gloom & Doom," you can.

I suggest paulm that you shake yer ass a bit more and grouse a bit less.

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Paul, stop pissing off the vast majority here who get pissed when you do not agree with them and their politics

That pisses me off

Funny retort! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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....It'd be like a soundtrack to ya surroundings Lunar!!!....boomboomBOOM

LOL!!....nice beat!!

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From now on, Mick will just write songs about the joys of consumerism, selling, prisons-for-profit, defense industry earnings per share, lies about peak oil, and oppressed & abused third world workers making Phil Knight's tennis shoes.

..don't forget 'clean' coal!!...

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You right-wing nut jobs see a commie hiding behind every bush. The big question to ask about this song and every rock and roll song is: Can you dance to it?

In the case of "Gloom & Doom," you can.

I suggest paulm that you shake yer ass a bit more and grouse a bit less.

You left-wing nut jobs....................

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PaulM's point is a valid one. I can only assume Mick's chastising the rich fellow "for locking the door and putting his feet up on the couch" will translate into $35 tickets for the upcoming shows.

No, it's not valid. It's perfectly possible being concerned of how the world develops and making money on your profession at the same time.

Right. He gets rich off the 98% and becomes the 1% but he's still down with the struggle whilst selling tickets that only the 1% can realistically afford. Nope, no hypocrisy there.

To say the song is 'faux socialist' is a heck of a stretch, but thats an otherwise fair comment.

can we at least agree it is 'faux bayou'?

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lmfao, this thread is twisted. It's only Rock and Roll and the Stones have put out a decent NEW tune here. It's not a political statement it's a friggin' rock song. At least we can understand what he is saying. I like Charlie's drumming on the track, like the guitars, not so much the vocal. It could use Bill Wyman and some funky piano fills, imho.

People are taking his words much too seriously here, this is not a political statement. Get real. peace

Agree 100%

"No Anchovies, Please"

Faux-Socialist? Seriously, do people who claim that know anything about Jagger. I don't know too many faux-socialists who praise Maggie Thatcher. Just because of Sweet Neo-Con and some other seemingly left leaning lyrics, he's now a faux-socialist. On economic issues, he's anything but. I'll concede the point to those who make the claim that there is a bit of hypocrisy and in the words of another poster, limousine leftism, but Mick's left leanings seem solely dedicated to starting foreign wars and there are many old school conservatives and the majority of libertarians on the same page.

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Good thing you really are not a capitalist, Sir Mick. I mean really, free enterprise is a greater evil than government dominating every aspect of society. I look forward to the keys to the Villa, Chateau and $10 concert tix. Oh wait, you mean that's not how it works? Gee, I was mislead.

Been drinkin' the Kool Aid® much?

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Paul, stop pissing off the vast majority here who get pissed when you do not agree with them and their politics

That pisses me off

Funny retort! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You can be so hurtful

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Paul, stop pissing off the vast majority here who get pissed when you do not agree with them and their politics

That pisses me off

Funny retort! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You can be so hurtful

at least it's not scarey.

The Aristocrat
G. K. Chesterton

The Devil is a gentleman, and asks you down to stay
At his little place at What’sitsname (it isn’t far away).
They say the sport is splendid; there is always something new,
And fairy scenes, and fearful feats that none but he can do;
He can shoot the feathered cherubs if they fly on the estate,
Or fish for Father Neptune with the mermaids for a bait;
He scaled amid the staggering stars that precipice, the sky,
And blew his trumpet above heaven, and got by mastery
The starry crown of God Himself, and shoved it on the shelf;
But the Devil is a gentleman, and doesn’t brag himself.

O blind your eyes and break your heart and hack your hand away,
And lose your love and shave your head; but do not go to stay
At the little place in What’sitsname where folks are rich and clever;
The golden and the goodly house, where things grow worse for ever;
There are things you need not know of, though you live and die in vain,
There are souls more sick of pleasure than you are sick of pain;
There is a game of April Fool that’s played behind its door,
Where the fool remains for ever and the April comes no more,
Where the splendour of the daylight grows drearier than the dark,
And life droops like a vulture that once was such a lark:
And that is the Blue Devil that once was the Blue Bird;
For the Devil is a gentleman, and doesn’t keep his word.

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There are things you need not know of, though you live and die in vain,
There are souls more sick of pleasure than you are sick of pain;
There is a game of April Fool that’s played behind its door,
Where the fool remains for ever and the April comes no more,
Where the splendour of the daylight grows drearier than the dark,
And life droops like a vulture that once was such a lark:
And that is the Blue Devil that once was the Blue Bird;
For the Devil is a gentleman, and doesn’t keep his word.

Wow, Bliss, great poetry! Turns so eerie in the second stanza...it is the lot of many isn't it? The haves and the have nots...

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PaulM's point is a valid one. I can only assume Mick's chastising the rich fellow "for locking the door and putting his feet up on the couch" will translate into $35 tickets for the upcoming shows.

No, it's not valid. It's perfectly possible being concerned of how the world develops and making money on your profession at the same time.

Right. He gets rich off the 98% and becomes the 1% but he's still down with the struggle whilst selling tickets that only the 1% can realistically afford. Nope, no hypocrisy there.

I remember seeing Phil Collins at an awards ceremony telling the audience that when they drove home in their rolls royces they should look out the window and see the homeless people. At the time I was really agree because he could have probably bought all those homeless people a meal but I suppose even the obscenly rich can care about the poor and we don't know how much money they give away.

Why don't you all get a life and listen to some new music created by members of the Stones, Grab the Groove while you can. This is as good as it get's

IF YOU CAN'T ROCK ME NO'BODY WILL'