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Stoneage
Forget it. Jagger is not a "storyteller" and has no interest whatsoever in an intimate relationship with his audience (except some girls a-f-t-e-r the concert...). Dream on.
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DandelionPowderman
It's been a while since Mick talked about his distaste for nostalgia, hasn't it?
At least since 2012
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DandelionPowderman
It's been a while since Mick talked about his distaste for nostalgia, hasn't it?
At least since 2012
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Kurt
My hope for the Stones is that they stop chasing the massive money.
They will never be topped in the history of rock for longevity, spirit or stamina.
I miss Charlie...
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Kurt
My hope for the Stones is that they stop chasing the massive money.
They will never be topped in the history of rock for longevity, spirit or stamina.
I miss Charlie...
Can't diagree with that. It would free them up to perhaps do slightly smaller - and arguably more interesting - things. But my guess is that they'll just stick with the well proven formula of recent years, which lets face it - is highly successful ! But, like all things, maybe even highly successful formulas also have a finite duration !!?? They just run their natural course ....
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Kurt
My hope for the Stones is that they stop chasing the massive money.
They will never be topped in the history of rock for longevity, spirit or stamina.
I miss Charlie...
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timmyj3
I have been thinking about what the Stones future "stage" plans could be. I thought about the Ray Davies "Storyteller" tours of the late 90's. They were half music, half storytelling.
I would love to see the boys in a intimate setting (under 1000). Basically just going over the celebration/history of the band and taking questions and interacting with the fans. It could be a multi media presentation. I would expect this to be a high end affair with tix in $2000 range. They could have guests who have been involved join them (maybe even Bill, Mick T, Andrew LO), even acoustic sets or have other artists do a few Stones songs. The main feature being the spoken history and interaction.
I would find this type of show would be less stress on the boys. Wouldn't need a caravan of people and the high expenses associated with a large full band tour.
Just a dream, but might be a great way to interact with fans without the highwire act that we are expecting 80 year old men to do. I could see Ronnie and Keith having a blast with this, Mick probably not. Mick seems very uptight about the nostalgia of the band. But as they said in a magnificent way, Time waits for no one.
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DandelionPowderman
It's been a while since Mick talked about his distaste for nostalgia, hasn't it?
At least since 2012
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DandelionPowderman
It's been a while since Mick talked about his distaste for nostalgia, hasn't it?
At least since 2012
True that he doesn't said that that often, but it shines through indirectly when he talks about the past. And he has done that pretty much since there've been pretty many archive projects along the years. There've been products to promote, so Mick has been 'forced' to remember.. But even there his remarks are pretty casual, and sometimes amused or ironical. He seem to maintain two stances:
First that of looking the past with totally indifferent attitude without any nostalgic sentiments. Just funny times when whatever happened, no big deal. Business as usual, the fashions come and go. Some albums seemed to do better than other, but so what? Google if you want to know more. It is a stance like some totally objective or neutral historian who does not have any personal relationship or fondness to the issue in question. In nostalgia there supposed to be some preference, based on personal experience or taste, that makes something noteworthy or worth to recall, but in Mick's history it is all the same. All equal.
But then that of watching the times goneby from the perspective of his own practical concerns. Just recalling specific factual things such as as 'oh yeah, I remember writing that tune on a train.' He could have said the same thing about the song he wrote a week ago. Or "Andrew didn't lock up us in the kitchen. That's just a funny a metaphor". Pretty casual, even trivial stuff. He never has stories to tell nor any particular insights to tell about the times he and his band made cultural history. Just pragmatic remarks.
That of being nostalgic and milking out the past for pragmatic reasons are two different things... Probably Mick's attitude has a bit softened, but I don't think he has really changed. Nor I don't think his attitude is fake, even if it is in contradiction to some of the things the Stones have recently done. It is a genuine part of his persona. And probably the biggest driving force for The Stones being for long a pretty strong factor in music business. For example, every tour is a challenge. To do something here and now, still meaningful in its own rights, not just being a nostalgy ride. I guess nostalgia for him is like giving up, and like admitting 'okay, I' m done'. It would be like that ex-footballer in the pub, just recalling the past achievements.
I have sometimes wondered Jagger's attitude for all the old hits - the war horses - they do in their concerts. I think that alone can be a good reason to call The Stones as a nostalgia act. But my guess is that Mick does not think so. For him they might be just songs that are proven to stand the test of time. Like they still are 'current' in some funny meaning of the word, since they never disappeared or die off. So there is no reason to be nostalgic about them. They have carried those songs with them, and like themselves, they still work. The job of them is to re-establish them every night in a concert. They breathe those songs. They still believe in them. I guess we all do?
- Doxa
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crholmstrom
In a way they are all new songs without Charlie. To my ears, the sound has changed considerably. Charlie was a huge part of the Stones sound, not always acknowledged as such. He is missed for sure.
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DandelionPowderman
It's been a while since Mick talked about his distaste for nostalgia, hasn't it?
At least since 2012
True that he doesn't said that that often, but it shines through indirectly when he talks about the past. And he has done that pretty much since there've been pretty many archive projects along the years. There've been products to promote, so Mick has been 'forced' to remember.. But even there his remarks are pretty casual, and sometimes amused or ironical. He seem to maintain two stances:
First that of looking the past with totally indifferent attitude without any nostalgic sentiments. Just funny times when whatever happened, no big deal. Business as usual, the fashions come and go. Some albums seemed to do better than other, but so what? Google if you want to know more. It is a stance like some totally objective or neutral historian who does not have any personal relationship or fondness to the issue in question. In nostalgia there supposed to be some preference, based on personal experience or taste, that makes something noteworthy or worth to recall, but in Mick's history it is all the same. All equal.
But then that of watching the times goneby from the perspective of his own practical concerns. Just recalling specific factual things such as as 'oh yeah, I remember writing that tune on a train.' He could have said the same thing about the song he wrote a week ago. Or "Andrew didn't lock up us in the kitchen. That's just a funny a metaphor". Pretty casual, even trivial stuff. He never has stories to tell nor any particular insights to tell about the times he and his band made cultural history. Just pragmatic remarks.
That of being nostalgic and milking out the past for pragmatic reasons are two different things... Probably Mick's attitude has a bit softened, but I don't think he has really changed. Nor I don't think his attitude is fake, even if it is in contradiction to some of the things the Stones have recently done. It is a genuine part of his persona. And probably the biggest driving force for The Stones being for long a pretty strong factor in music business. For example, every tour is a challenge. To do something here and now, still meaningful in its own rights, not just being a nostalgy ride. I guess nostalgia for him is like giving up, and like admitting 'okay, I' m done'. It would be like that ex-footballer in the pub, just recalling the past achievements.
I have sometimes wondered Jagger's attitude for all the old hits - the war horses - they do in their concerts. I think that alone can be a good reason to call The Stones as a nostalgia act. But my guess is that Mick does not think so. For him they might be just songs that are proven to stand the test of time. Like they still are 'current' in some funny meaning of the word, since they never disappeared or die off. So there is no reason to be nostalgic about them. They have carried those songs with them, and like themselves, they still work. The job of them is to re-establish them every night in a concert. They breathe those songs. They still believe in them. I guess we all do?
- Doxa
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lem motlow
I remember going to see them in the 70s and my friends and I talked about how we could go see the Stones in venues with smaller crowds when they got older because surely they wouldn’t be as popular as the years passed.
Im most likely the only person who laughs to myself when I’m dropping $700 a ticket in a football stadium.
Trust me people, they’re never gonna change.big time legends on big stages, big hits,big fireworks,big crowds, The Rolling Stones.
They’ll go out in a blaze of glory, not sitting on stools in some club.