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You may all be surprised about the extent of the Stones' touring plans.

THANK YOU KINDLY!!

Now, I mean NO OFFENSE to anyone here but I feel that it's really unkind and out of place for any of us (me included) to make comments about the health of any Stone.

For example, five years ago I also was suffering terribly from osteoarthritis. Since then, thanks to traditional Western Medicine combined with alternative therapies I'm doing well and I'm fine! Beter than ever even!!

Please.....let's not attract negative energy by talking about the "condition any Stone was in five years ago".

Thanks,
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Talking about how you think the condition coud be of 'someone' who is now 68 years old and how he played five or six years ago when he was 62 and 63 and how he plays now (and what you believe of his capabilities could be in the near future), all of this based on watching the man walk and talk and play through the years does not mean you are attracting or want to attract negative energy...that's not the same...it's just an honest impression you give. For me: I don't mind sharing my impressions/opinions/interpretations and I'm not responsible for anyone who wants to extract negative energy out of that.
By the way; nice to hear someone cured from osteoarthritis like that. Good for you!

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You may all be surprised about the extent of the Stones' touring plans.

Wow!

- Doxa

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You may all be surprised about the extent of the Stones' touring plans.

THANK YOU KINDLY!!

Now, I mean NO OFFENSE to anyone here but I feel that it's really unkind and out of place for any of us (me included) to make comments about the health of any Stone.

For example, five years ago I also was suffering terribly from osteoarthritis. Since then, thanks to traditional Western Medicine combined with alternative therapies I'm doing well and I'm fine! Beter than ever even!!

Please.....let's not attract negative energy by talking about the "condition any Stone was in five years ago".

Thanks,
CE

Talking about how you think the condition coud be of 'someone' who is now 68 years old and how he played five or six years ago when he was 62 and 63 and how he plays now (and what you believe of his capabilities could be in the near future), all of this based on watching the man walk and talk and play through the years does not mean you are attracting or want to attract negative energy...that's not the same...it's just an honest impression you give. For me: I don't mind sharing my impressions/opinions/interpretations and I'm not responsible for anyone who wants to extract negative energy out of that.
By the way; nice to hear someone cured from osteoarthritis like that. Good for you!

OK, but just two things here:

1. I'm not "cured" of osteoarthritis (I've had it since childhood). I'm merely able to function - walk, dance, jump, whatever better as long as I continue with the Western Medicines and the alternative therapies.

2. All of us are aging. Many people on this site (just take a look at some of the negative threads about *someone*'s playing ability) seem to THRIVE on tossing out negative energy. I wasn't merely directing my post at you! That said, who are we (anyone of us) to try to determine a person's health by watching the way they walk/talk/play/dance/sing/etc.? We are NOT that person's doctor(s). Other facters come into play in a person's life - the health and well-being of one's spouse and one's children/the death of a beloved parent......on and on. I don't think "health" is merely a physical thing. It also depends on what's going on mentally/psychologically in a person's life.

OK, I'll shut the f*&k up now!

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The last Rolling Stones concert I've seen was on August 11 2007 in Lausanne, Switzerland - I think their seventh last concert or something up to now.

I remember how before the concert, full of mixed emotions, I've been thinking 'oh well, another one of these Bigger Bang shows, I don't care too much for that' etc. (I've seen them twice before on the same tour).

But then, 5 meters from the small stage, I was overwhelmed - because they were still rocking hard, and I still loved every second of it. All of a sudden I felt sad because I knew that this really may be the last time (for me at least).

So for me - in my gut, to answer your question - I feel that I would be really, really happy to see them again, because I already had the feeling of maybe never seeing them play live again. And then I'll probably get sad again while they play, but knowing that it is really the last goodbye would probably help.

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If it will be a Bigger Bang tour reloaded, it would be superfluous in my opinion. All what we would have would be a further decline in the instrumental competencies of Keith I fear. Ronnie would have to manage the bigger part of guitar work as he did on the second leg of the Bigger Bang tour. Although Ronnie's guitar work is improved in the last years again it would be a difficult task for him, because he is far away from his peak in the seventies. Meanwhile it is a little bit boring, too, to hear the 20th live version of Miss You and so on. I wish they does a downstripped tour focussing on their blues roots. For example: There is a two minute take of a blues session on stage one day before the Beacon theatre desaster which is preserved on lousy Shine a Light. During this session which you can see on You Tube the band is on top and shines really in its greatness ...

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If it will be a Bigger Bang tour reloaded, it would be superfluous in my opinion. All what we would have would be a further decline in the instrumental competencies of Keith I fear. Ronnie would have to manage the bigger part of guitar work as he did on the second leg of the Bigger Bang tour. Although Ronnie's guitar work is improved in the last years again it would be a difficult task for him, because he is far away from his peak in the seventies. Meanwhile it is a little bit boring, too, to hear the 20th live version of Miss You and so on. I wish they does a downstripped tour focussing on their blues roots. For example: There is a two minute take of a blues session on stage one day before the Beacon theatre desaster which is preserved on lousy Shine a Light. During this session which you can see on You Tube the band is on top and shines really in its greatness ...

I agree. And thanks for posting the video in the other thread!
Yeah. With songs like The Storm...

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Your hunch and feelings aside, Cocaine Eyes, would you care to elaborate why you don't think they will play ever again?

OK. The Stones have run their course, done their time, given years and years of music/tours/recordings/surprise gigs/small gigs......they've done it all.

I always knew they wouldn't pull something like The Who. The Who have had how many "final shows" now? It starts to look silly.

Speaking of looking silly - Charlie Watts said (paraphrasing) 'We'll look silly doing this at age 70'.

I doubt the Stones want to go out in a blaze of glory. In spite of what Pete Townsend said to them, I think they'd rather retire gracefully and quietly.

They have all these movies/archive releases/photo gallery shows......lots of "nice things" to keep the fans satisfied for 50 years of music.

And also speaking of the fans - the Stones KNOW that the die-hards aren't getting any younger either. They know the economy (in the USA and Canada) is not good. They know we all have worked hard at our various careers and perhaps we want to put our money towards a nice retirement of trips and relaxing things.

Did that help explain things? I hope so. These are not 'my feelings/hunches'. These are plain, hard facts.

I do think Jagger will continue to jump around somewhere (SNL, some small & contained places). Charlie will play in his jazz bands. Ronnie will.....well, be Ronnie. And Keith will continue to contribute to works by guys like Aaron Neville, etc.

But a huge Stones show complete with T-shirts for sale, pyrotechniques, the whole shebang......nah, it's not going to happen.

Now IF I'm mistaken......you guys can rip me to pieces and take me to task. I'd be happy to take that flak.

Ha ha, no, your points are quite logical.

I would agreed with you if it wasn't for the Stones themselves were talking about shows + rehearsing and recording - Those are facts, too

Oh yes, those are facts as well. But are we sure we know what they were rehearsing for? Were they just 'rehearsing' in order to record the two new tunes for GRRR? Is someone going to hold a big do for them sometime in the near future and they feel obliged to play at that do? Will a famous person (Richard Branson for example) hold a huge, invitation-only thing where he'll salute them for 50 years of music and they feel obligated to play there?

There are many different scenarios for which they could have been 'rehearsing'. Are we really certain that there will be gigs for fans/ordinary people? Are we truly certain of anything right now?

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Your hunch and feelings aside, Cocaine Eyes, would you care to elaborate why you don't think they will play ever again?

OK. The Stones have run their course, done their time, given years and years of music/tours/recordings/surprise gigs/small gigs......they've done it all.

I always knew they wouldn't pull something like The Who. The Who have had how many "final shows" now? It starts to look silly.

Speaking of looking silly - Charlie Watts said (paraphrasing) 'We'll look silly doing this at age 70'.

I doubt the Stones want to go out in a blaze of glory. In spite of what Pete Townsend said to them, I think they'd rather retire gracefully and quietly.

They have all these movies/archive releases/photo gallery shows......lots of "nice things" to keep the fans satisfied for 50 years of music.

And also speaking of the fans - the Stones KNOW that the die-hards aren't getting any younger either. They know the economy (in the USA and Canada) is not good. They know we all have worked hard at our various careers and perhaps we want to put our money towards a nice retirement of trips and relaxing things.

Did that help explain things? I hope so. These are not 'my feelings/hunches'. These are plain, hard facts.

I do think Jagger will continue to jump around somewhere (SNL, some small & contained places). Charlie will play in his jazz bands. Ronnie will.....well, be Ronnie. And Keith will continue to contribute to works by guys like Aaron Neville, etc.

But a huge Stones show complete with T-shirts for sale, pyrotechniques, the whole shebang......nah, it's not going to happen.

Now IF I'm mistaken......you guys can rip me to pieces and take me to task. I'd be happy to take that flak.

Ha ha, no, your points are quite logical.

I would agreed with you if it wasn't for the Stones themselves were talking about shows + rehearsing and recording - Those are facts, too

Oh yes, those are facts as well. But are we sure we know what they were rehearsing for? Were they just 'rehearsing' in order to record the two new tunes for GRRR? Is someone going to hold a big do for them sometime in the near future and they feel obliged to play at that do? Will a famous person (Richard Branson for example) hold a huge, invitation-only thing where he'll salute them for 50 years of music and they feel obligated to play there?

There are many different scenarios for which they could have been 'rehearsing'. Are we really certain that there will be gigs for fans/ordinary people? Are we truly certain of anything right now?

You bring up some good points/questions.

Why do you think that Mick asked Chuck to pick out 50 songs before coming to France? Or was that just a rumor?

And if they were only recording 2 songs and doing no more, would Chuck and/or Darryl even be needed? Surely, they could record keyboards or bass themselves or get someone local.

Did you say you were connected to the band?

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Your hunch and feelings aside, Cocaine Eyes, would you care to elaborate why you don't think they will play ever again?

OK. The Stones have run their course, done their time, given years and years of music/tours/recordings/surprise gigs/small gigs......they've done it all.

I always knew they wouldn't pull something like The Who. The Who have had how many "final shows" now? It starts to look silly.

Speaking of looking silly - Charlie Watts said (paraphrasing) 'We'll look silly doing this at age 70'.

I doubt the Stones want to go out in a blaze of glory. In spite of what Pete Townsend said to them, I think they'd rather retire gracefully and quietly.

They have all these movies/archive releases/photo gallery shows......lots of "nice things" to keep the fans satisfied for 50 years of music.

And also speaking of the fans - the Stones KNOW that the die-hards aren't getting any younger either. They know the economy (in the USA and Canada) is not good. They know we all have worked hard at our various careers and perhaps we want to put our money towards a nice retirement of trips and relaxing things.

Did that help explain things? I hope so. These are not 'my feelings/hunches'. These are plain, hard facts.

I do think Jagger will continue to jump around somewhere (SNL, some small & contained places). Charlie will play in his jazz bands. Ronnie will.....well, be Ronnie. And Keith will continue to contribute to works by guys like Aaron Neville, etc.

But a huge Stones show complete with T-shirts for sale, pyrotechniques, the whole shebang......nah, it's not going to happen.

Now IF I'm mistaken......you guys can rip me to pieces and take me to task. I'd be happy to take that flak.

Ha ha, no, your points are quite logical.

I would agreed with you if it wasn't for the Stones themselves were talking about shows + rehearsing and recording - Those are facts, too

Oh yes, those are facts as well. But are we sure we know what they were rehearsing for? Were they just 'rehearsing' in order to record the two new tunes for GRRR? Is someone going to hold a big do for them sometime in the near future and they feel obliged to play at that do? Will a famous person (Richard Branson for example) hold a huge, invitation-only thing where he'll salute them for 50 years of music and they feel obligated to play there?

There are many different scenarios for which they could have been 'rehearsing'. Are we really certain that there will be gigs for fans/ordinary people? Are we truly certain of anything right now?

You bring up some good points/questions.

Why do you think that Mick asked Chuck to pick out 50 songs before coming to France? Or was that just a rumor?

And if they were only recording 2 songs and doing no more, would Chuck and/or Darryl even be needed? Surely, they could record keyboards or bass themselves or get someone local.

Did you say you were connected to the band?

1.No, not a rumour - Chuck was asked by Mick to choose some songs.

2.Yes, they surely could record keyboards and bass themselves. But Chuck is (I hate this term!) the 'musical director' for the Stones.

3. Connected to the band? I highly doubt I ever came out and said that. (Were you asking me or were you asking Dreamer about that?)

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Your hunch and feelings aside, Cocaine Eyes, would you care to elaborate why you don't think they will play ever again?

OK. The Stones have run their course, done their time, given years and years of music/tours/recordings/surprise gigs/small gigs......they've done it all.

I always knew they wouldn't pull something like The Who. The Who have had how many "final shows" now? It starts to look silly.

Speaking of looking silly - Charlie Watts said (paraphrasing) 'We'll look silly doing this at age 70'.

I doubt the Stones want to go out in a blaze of glory. In spite of what Pete Townsend said to them, I think they'd rather retire gracefully and quietly.

They have all these movies/archive releases/photo gallery shows......lots of "nice things" to keep the fans satisfied for 50 years of music.

And also speaking of the fans - the Stones KNOW that the die-hards aren't getting any younger either. They know the economy (in the USA and Canada) is not good. They know we all have worked hard at our various careers and perhaps we want to put our money towards a nice retirement of trips and relaxing things.

Did that help explain things? I hope so. These are not 'my feelings/hunches'. These are plain, hard facts.

I do think Jagger will continue to jump around somewhere (SNL, some small & contained places). Charlie will play in his jazz bands. Ronnie will.....well, be Ronnie. And Keith will continue to contribute to works by guys like Aaron Neville, etc.

But a huge Stones show complete with T-shirts for sale, pyrotechniques, the whole shebang......nah, it's not going to happen.

Now IF I'm mistaken......you guys can rip me to pieces and take me to task. I'd be happy to take that flak.

Ha ha, no, your points are quite logical.

I would agreed with you if it wasn't for the Stones themselves were talking about shows + rehearsing and recording - Those are facts, too

Oh yes, those are facts as well. But are we sure we know what they were rehearsing for? Were they just 'rehearsing' in order to record the two new tunes for GRRR? Is someone going to hold a big do for them sometime in the near future and they feel obliged to play at that do? Will a famous person (Richard Branson for example) hold a huge, invitation-only thing where he'll salute them for 50 years of music and they feel obligated to play there?

There are many different scenarios for which they could have been 'rehearsing'. Are we really certain that there will be gigs for fans/ordinary people? Are we truly certain of anything right now?

You bring up some good points/questions.

Why do you think that Mick asked Chuck to pick out 50 songs before coming to France? Or was that just a rumor?

And if they were only recording 2 songs and doing no more, would Chuck and/or Darryl even be needed? Surely, they could record keyboards or bass themselves or get someone local.

Did you say you were connected to the band?

1.No, not a rumour - Chuck was asked by Mick to choose some songs.

2.Yes, they surely could record keyboards and bass themselves. But Chuck is (I hate this term!) the 'musical director' for the Stones.

3. Connected to the band? I highly doubt I ever came out and said that. (Were you asking me or were you asking Dreamer about that?)

1) OK its not a rumor. After reading your opinion about why they probably would not tour again, I was just wondering why Mick would ask Chuck to come up with 50 (or what ever the number is) songs if all they were doing was putting down 2 "new" tracks.

2) Again, do they really need a musical director for 2 "new" songs. I think Mick likes Chuck handling that position while on tour (someone he can depend on). I actually have no problem with Chuck at all in anything he does - every band needs their own Chuck!

3) From the first page (maybe reading to much into your sentence and maybe thinking of someone else):

"This band has been with me through the good times and the bad times; Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie have treated me kindly; their entourage has been kind and gracious to me".


Anyway, I do hope you are wrong, but you are probably right as far as a long tour and their future beyond the next 6 months...

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I know lots of musicians. Surely one of them knows a guy who knows a guy who knows the Stones.

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You may all be surprised about the extent of the Stones' touring plans.

Wow!

- Doxa

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I know lots of guys who know the Stones, and guys who know guys who know the Stones. I don't post something unless it's good information. While plans are famously made to cause God to laugh, the Stones have a lot of plans to play live.

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I know lots of guys who know the Stones, and guys who know guys who know the Stones. I don't post something unless it's good information. While plans are famously made to cause God to laugh, the Stones have a lot of plans to play live.