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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
It's needs to be LESSENED, not increased. Typical.

Yes, and no. It needs to be DIVIDED into two separate albums. And of course presented in a different order. Just like I have done here. Try listening to them in exactly the order I have given and see what you think. What is an average album (and below average Stones album) turns into two pretty decent albums.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

It doesn't take an "insider" to turn something average into something above average. It's rare that I come with an idea that turns out to be better than Mick's, but, of course, hindsight is always 20/20.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

..by 'insider' you mean he should be inside a mental institution,....then yes, he is an 'insider'...

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

If he would be remotely critical of something to do with Stonesworld--just remotely so, just for once, the way a real and actual fan would--then I would say no, he couldn't after all be an employee on the PR payroll. Not that there's anything wrong with that... it must be a great job, if it's what one loves to do.

Been wanting Mick to dump the warhorses and stadium shows for years.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

Only if the 'inside' youre referring to is some kind of asylum.

The Cuckoo's Nest is right here at IORR.

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lunar!!!

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

..by 'insider' you mean he should be inside a mental institution,....then yes, he is an 'insider'...

best post ever!!! damn that is funny.


but back to the topic at hand,this is one of the ways cd's and the digital era ruined rock and roll.
the stones had about 10 good songs for this record and for that matter every one they've done in the digital era.
the problemn is instead of being forced to cut it down to ten they just get lazy and put everything on there.so where you once had a collection of songs that worked together and made a cohesive statement now the records meander all over the place and just sound thrown together..
they probably tell themselves that they put everything on because they havent put out a record in awhile and it creates more value blah blah blah
truth is they're just to lazy to edit the damn things down.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

Always have, always will. And a horrible insider at that. Awful.

I hate stadium shows and the over-playing of the warhorses, and just dismantled and re-constructed ABB into two separate albums! Do you think Mick would send someone like that here to criticize his decision making?

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I thought it was fine the way it was.

That's the problem. The Stones have a history of being better than "just fine". It was OK, a below average Stones album. If they had made two albums out of it both of them would have been above average provided the songs made it onto the proper album and in the proper order. I think I have done a pretty good job of that here.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

..by 'insider' you mean he should be inside a mental institution,....then yes, he is an 'insider'...

Thought I was in the cuckoo's nest with all you lunatics? Crazy good, of course.

Hardly enough tracks to make one decent 40 minute album . How could that shite be stretched to two ? No way

Everything after Steel Wheels has been too long IMHO .


SC UK

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

..by 'insider' you mean he should be inside a mental institution,....then yes, he is an 'insider'...

best post ever!!! damn that is funny.


but back to the topic at hand,this is one of the ways cd's and the digital era ruined rock and roll.
the stones had about 10 good songs for this record and for that matter every one they've done in the digital era.
the problemn is instead of being forced to cut it down to ten they just get lazy and put everything on there.so where you once had a collection of songs that worked together and made a cohesive statement now the records meander all over the place and just sound thrown together..
they probably tell themselves that they put everything on because they havent put out a record in awhile and it creates more value blah blah blah
truth is they're just to lazy to edit the damn things down.

Sounds like you are basically in agreement with me judging by your comments. I would argue that they had more than ten good songs to work with.

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Hardly enough tracks to make one decent 40 minute album . How could that shite be stretched to two ? No way

Everything after Steel Wheels has been too long IMHO .


SC UK

Try listening to the songs as I have listed them and tell me if you don't notice an improvement. Imagine them as two separate albums.

The result is the same: bad album

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KRiffhard
The result is the same: bad album

But only half as bad this time !

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KRiffhard
The result is the same: bad album

Can't be, I have divided them into two separate albums. Do you feel both of them are bad? Try listening to them in the order I have given. Pretend they are two separate albums. One is light and upbeat while the other is somber and full of reflection and pain.

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tatters
Anyone here still think the author of this thread is some kind of "insider"?

Only if the 'inside' youre referring to is some kind of asylum.

The Cuckoo's Nest is right here at IORR.

Probably why Mick caters more to us "casual fans" than he does you "hardcores".

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The result is the same: bad album

But only half as bad this time !

No. ABB is to me by far their best album since Tatoo You. It contains some really great stuf. It could have had more impact if a sort of SMU was in it. But agree that 16 songs was too much. A more compact with 10 songs ( Which ones ?) would have had more impact. And maybe a touch of more Keith involvement. MickT would have been the right guy to be the second guitar and bring some genius touch in that opus. But in any case this would be their last album ever, it seems.

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KRiffhard
The result is the same: bad album

But only half as bad this time !

No. ABB is to me by far their best album since Tatoo You. It contains some really great stuf. It could have had more impact if a sort of SMU was in it. But agree that 16 songs was too much. A more compact with 10 songs ( Which ones ?) would have had more impact. And maybe a touch of more Keith involvement. MickT would have been the right guy to be the second guitar and bring some genius touch in that opus. But in any case this would be their last album ever, it seems.

I never like to see more than ten songs on any album. Eight is even better.

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The result is the same: bad album

But only half as bad this time !

No. ABB is to me by far their best album since Tatoo You. It contains some really great stuf. It could have had more impact if a sort of SMU was in it. But agree that 16 songs was too much. A more compact with 10 songs ( Which ones ?) would have had more impact. And maybe a touch of more Keith involvement. MickT would have been the right guy to be the second guitar and bring some genius touch in that opus. But in any case this would be their last album ever, it seems.

I never like to see more than ten songs on any album. Eight is even better.

Why don't you make a double LP and trow one away

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This paid writer thing: I have been thinking about that for a while. Why post here for free when you can get paid for every letter you write? So, can someone guide me? How much is it and who do you talk to?

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Bring dat album over here...

Max's KC, love your sense of humor and your loyalty to the Stones. Sometimes family members give us the most pain but we can never quit on them. Lots of quitters around here. You are not one of them and I am sure the Stones know who you are.

Thank you and right back at you

Its good to be here... its good to be anywhere



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-09-10 23:43 by Max'sKansasCity.

OK, let's try this:

Album #1

Rough Justice
Let Me Down Slow
Back Of My Hand
She Saw Me Coming
Biggest Mistake
Dangerous Beauty
Driving Too Fast
Infamy
Under the Radar
Don't Wanna Go Home


Album #2

It Won't Take Long
Rain Fall Down
Streets Of Love
This Place Is Empty
Oh No Not You Again
Laughinearlydied
Sweet Neo Con
Look What the Cat Dragged In

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OK, let's try this:

Album #1

Rough Justice
Let Me Down Slow
Back Of My Hand
She Saw Me Coming
Biggest Mistake
Dangerous Beauty
Driving Too Fast
Infamy
Under the Radar
Don't Wanna Go Home


Album #2

It Won't Take Long
Rain Fall Down
Streets Of Love
This Place Is Empty
Oh No Not You Again
Laughinearlydied
Sweet Neo Con
Look What the Cat Dragged In

Pretty good, pretty good, pretty good, pretty good,.....

I haven't actually read most of the posts here, but ABB is already divided into two albums, if you happen to have the vinyl.

Do you want them in separate album covers as well, would that help?

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This paid writer thing: I have been thinking about that for a while. Why post here for free when you can get paid for every letter you write? So, can someone guide me? How much is it and who do you talk to?

Can you imagine how much Doxa would be worth today if he had been getting paid by the word all these years?

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Kurt
I thought it was fine the way it was.

That's the problem. The Stones have a history of being better than "just fine". It was OK, a below average Stones album. If they had made two albums out of it both of them would have been above average provided the songs made it onto the proper album and in the proper order. I think I have done a pretty good job of that here.

Yes.
Fair enough.

I humbly request that the next "NEW" original album be an above average Double LP then.

How about we "divide" it into a single?

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This paid writer thing: I have been thinking about that for a while. Why post here for free when you can get paid for every letter you write? So, can someone guide me? How much is it and who do you talk to?

Can you imagine how much Doxa would be worth today if he had been getting paid by the word all these years?

Yeah, MSSR50! He would be up there with Zuckerberg and Jagger. A billionaire in both words and dollars. Personally, I always find it an ordeal just putting two sentences together. After that I'm done!

We've discussed it before, but I suspect altering the sequencing would have made the album stronger. Of course, I would also have added in all three "B-sides" that turned up in 2005 as well. What it really needed was stronger lyrics in some cases and a mix that wasn't made by someone partially deaf for the express purpose of affecting the listener the same way. The 2009 remaster has some very slight differences detectable if you're listening closely with headphones, but it can't be considered an improvement, sadly. This was the beginning of the mastering demolition project.

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Kurt
I thought it was fine the way it was.

That's the problem. The Stones have a history of being better than "just fine". It was OK, a below average Stones album. If they had made two albums out of it both of them would have been above average provided the songs made it onto the proper album and in the proper order. I think I have done a pretty good job of that here.

Yes.
Fair enough.

I humbly request that the next "NEW" original album be an above average Double LP then.

Works for me.