I think Taylor is on Turd. It's a similar two-guitar boogie thing to Hip Shake (Taylor on rhythm on that one!).

Happy -I always thought Taylor did the slide solo during the turn around. That does not sound like Keith to me at all.

Turd -the second guitar playing riffs and fills is quite the same as Richards lead guitar playing on Shake YH, both on Exile and Montreux. I don't think Taylor would play something like that at all.

Tumbling Dice -all guitars by Richards, except one open G rhythm guitar which is Jagger. No Taylor on guitar.

Torn & Frayed and Loving Cup: all guitars by Richards, I don't hear Taylor.

Rocks Off: I have to listen to that again, the Hopkins tape revealed more Taylor than I had ever heard on the released version.

Mathijs

Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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The opposite actually. I think 95% is certain. Main discussions are mostly the extent of what Taylor played, as a lot of his playing has been wiped, or is burried deep down in the mix.

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I think Taylor is on Turd. It's a similar two-guitar boogie thing to Hip Shake (Taylor on rhythm on that one!).

I agree. Clearly Taylor on guitar at the 1:00 mark.

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Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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The opposite actually. I think 95% is certain.

Mathijs

This thread, and many like it, tell me otherwise.

I hear and feel Taylor clearly playing electric guitar on Loving Cup, but you think that's Keith.

I think it's typical Taylor rhythm guitar. Touch stiffer than Keith, but with some slick little licks thrown in here and there. He mimes the basics of it in the Montreux promo film thing.



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"I think it's typical Taylor rhythm guitar. Touch stiffer than Keith, but with some slick little licks thrown in here and there. He mimes the basics of it in the Montreux promo film thing."

My sentiments exactly.

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Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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Absolutely true. And that's also the charm of Exile.
Don't trust people who say: I'm certain that (aside from the really obvious stuff) X plays that and Y plays that.
It's not more than an opinion and thus subjective and not an objective fact at all.

The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry. ]
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The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry. ]
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You explained it perfectly.

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Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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Absolutely true. And that's also the charm of Exile.
Don't trust people who say: I'm certain that (aside from the really obvious stuff) X plays that and Y plays that.
It's not more than an opinion and thus subjective and not an objective fact at all.

Do you think Taylor plays the groovy electric guitar in the right speaker on Loving Cup?

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Lol!!!

Basically, aside from really obvious stuff, no one has a clue who played what.

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Absolutely true. And that's also the charm of Exile.
Don't trust people who say: I'm certain that (aside from the really obvious stuff) X plays that and Y plays that.
It's not more than an opinion and thus subjective and not an objective fact at all.

Do you think Taylor plays the groovy electric guitar in the right speaker on Loving Cup?

Yep, I think so. Listen also to 3:30 - 3:33. That's not Keith's style in my extremely humble opinion.

BTW: I also think the groovy electric guitar in the right speaker on Rocks Off is Taylor. Reminds me of Bitch.

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Happy -I always thought Taylor did the slide solo during the turn around. That does not sound like Keith to me at all.

Turd -the second guitar playing riffs and fills is quite the same as Richards lead guitar playing on Shake YH, both on Exile and Montreux. I don't think Taylor would play something like that at all.

Tumbling Dice -all guitars by Richards, except one open G rhythm guitar which is Jagger. No Taylor on guitar.

Torn & Frayed and Loving Cup: all guitars by Richards, I don't hear Taylor.

Rocks Off: I have to listen to that again, the Hopkins tape revealed more Taylor than I had ever heard on the released version.

Mathijs

What you think and what in reality was played - mayby or in reality Taylor played more than your ear can hear or in reality was played by Mr. Taylor... in basic he played quite much in France......... more or less on all EOM numbers...

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What you think and what in reality was played - mayby or in reality Taylor played more than your ear can hear or in reality was played by Mr. Taylor... in basic he played quite much in France......... more or less on all EOM numbers...[/quote]

He played a lot in France, but only half of Exile was recorded there. The other half was recorded at Olympics, Stargroves and LA, and it is unclear who exactly was present in LA.

I have not doubted in 25 years it is anyone else than Richards on Loving Cup, so have to listen with open mind to it again I guess.

All rythm guitars on Rocks Off are Richards, this was mentioned by Andy Johns as well if I recall correctly.

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Since hearing the wonderful 1969 Loving Cup many moons ago I always thought Taylor played the clean toned guitar which mostly sits back playing chords, and some fills, whilst Keith with more dirty tone played most of the fills, lead licks etc etc.

The 2 guitar parts on the outtake and my assumption about who played what seems right because the respective roles and parts are pretty much repeated for the live version from Hyde Park concert.

In fact, the LC outtake version has many simularities with Honky Tonk Women -same sound, and various licks by both Richards and Taylor are simular. Richards does this open G HTW intro lick before every verse, and Taylor does those country bends he does in HTW as well.

Mathijs

Taylor's sound is totally different though.

You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

You guys are crazy.

IF Taylor plays on LC it is a two-second-thing before the "what a beautiful-buzz"-thing, only.

The other guitar is so typical Keith as it gets, with warts and all. The descending part is NOT a Taylor-part, but used countless times by Keith, in all possible ways.

Taylor plays nowhere near this consistant rhythm on the live versions, either.

I believe Taylor plays on Turd On The Runs, and I´m sure that Keith plays the slide (and the other guitars) on Happy (as he says himself). Why on earth would Taylor all of a sudden start with ultra-basic slide solos, like in Happy?



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Since hearing the wonderful 1969 Loving Cup many moons ago I always thought Taylor played the clean toned guitar which mostly sits back playing chords, and some fills, whilst Keith with more dirty tone played most of the fills, lead licks etc etc.

The 2 guitar parts on the outtake and my assumption about who played what seems right because the respective roles and parts are pretty much repeated for the live version from Hyde Park concert.

In fact, the LC outtake version has many simularities with Honky Tonk Women -same sound, and various licks by both Richards and Taylor are simular. Richards does this open G HTW intro lick before every verse, and Taylor does those country bends he does in HTW as well.

Mathijs

Taylor's sound is totally different though.

You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

The rough country bends on the outtake version must be Keith through a HI-WATT?

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

It's like dead beer to me.

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

We'll never find out

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You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Taylors tone is clean on 1969 Loving Cup, not clean on Honky Tonk.

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You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Taylors tone is clean on 1969 Loving Cup, not clean on Honky Tonk.

He is talking about the outtake version, where the guitar is far, far from clean of course - very similar to HTW.

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You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Taylors tone is clean on 1969 Loving Cup, not clean on Honky Tonk.

He is talking about the outtake version, where the guitar is far, far from clean of course - very similar to HTW.

We are both talking about the 1969 outtake. Taylor's tone is clean on that, but not clean for the lead fills on Honky Tonk.

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

Not at all. It's a good song. I always knew loving cup is probably without Taylor, that's why I said: 'thanks for the effort'.

Most Jones era footage is in black and white, and the Wood era sounds like grayscale to me

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You think so? It's that SG through HiWatt amp to me, quite the same as HTW.

Mathijs

Are you high?

Taylors tone is clean on 1969 Loving Cup, not clean on Honky Tonk.

He is talking about the outtake version, where the guitar is far, far from clean of course - very similar to HTW.

We are both talking about the 1969 outtake. Taylor's tone is clean on that, but not clean for the lead fills on Honky Tonk.

ok, I thought everybody were saying that the guitar with the country bends on the outtake version was played by Taylor. My mistake. That one was indeed not clean.

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

Not at all. It's a good song. I always knew loving cup is probably without Taylor, that's why I said: 'thanks for the effort'.

Most Jones era footage is in black and white, and the Wood era sounds like grayscale to me

And Brown Sugar, where Taylor is inaudible? A little more colorful?

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

We'll never find out

Not as long as people like yourself wants Taylor to be on the track

Honestly, I´m surprised that people say that the rhythm guitar playing on LC is his style. Even when he plays something similar (like the rhythm on CYHMK) it sounds so different.

It's a great song regardless.

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magee mineko
The right channel of Loving Cup is Taylor.
The guitar phrase of 2:24~2:32 resembles Taylor of "I'm Free" ['69 live] .
The vibrato of 2:53~2:57 is Taylor's characteristic. It is not Keith.
[Because I am a Japanese, I am poor at English.
I cannot explain well. I'm sorry.


Thanks for the effort.
Listening to the stones without Mick Taylor is like watching tv in black & white to me.

So, if you find out that Loving Cup is indeed without Taylor, it all of a sudden turns into a bad song...?

Not at all. It's a good song. I always knew loving cup is probably without Taylor, that's why I said: 'thanks for the effort'.

Most Jones era footage is in black and white, and the Wood era sounds like grayscale to me

And Brown Sugar, where Taylor is inaudible? A little more colorful?

I've always said that BS as a studio version is boring BS, but great when performed live during the 71-73 years. So the song in itself must be great.