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There's no Taylor on Loving Cup.

It seems that the tracks that where recorded in LA do not feature Taylor on guitar at all -it seems he was absent for most of the sessions as a guitarist, but did some bass overdubs.

And this actually for me leads to a basic question concerning the sessions -who where present in LA from december 71 to March 72? The story always was that only Jagger and Richards where in LA. Then Wyman added that he and Watts spend three weeks in December 71 in LA. It does seem that Taylor was largely absent from the LA overdub sessions. None of the tracks recorded there feature him (Loving Cup, Turd on the Run etc), and his overdubs seem to be limited to bass. On the tracks he did record with them at Nellcote and Stargroves he's only featured minimaly (except Stop Breaking Down). Rocks Off for example only has Taylor in the intro and outro, and all other guitars are Richards, his parts where wiped (as they where on RTJ).

The same with the brass section -I understand they where all fully recorded at Nellcote, and that Keys and Price where not present in LA. This means that for example for Let It Loose the basic take most probably was done at Olympics, brass at Nellcote, vocals in LA.

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Taylor is playing on Turd On The Run.

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Taylor is playing on Turd On The Run.

Nope, that's all Keith.

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His Majesty
Stop Breaking Down was recorded at Olympic in 1970. The pics of the 2 Mick's playing guitar together in Olympic probably come from that session.

I doubt any tracks were started from scratch in LA, isn't it the case that those were overdub and mixing sessions only?

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
So the liner notes in Exile are not correct.

Are the liner notes for the Exile Rarities correct? Taylor is on...two songs as I recall, one of them the one Keith said he isn't on...

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So the liner notes in Exile are not correct.

Are the liner notes for the Exile Rarities correct? Taylor is on...two songs as I recall, one of them the one Keith said he isn't on...

I think he's on more songs than two...

- PMS obviously.
- The slide on IAS
- The slide on SS
- He's on PTW
- He's on GTW

5 songs is more correct.

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I just looked at the booklet. Taylor is on Pass The Wine, Plundered, Signifying for the actual Exile songs and the three of four outtakes.

So there are 3 more Exile songs he's not on.

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I can clearly hear Taylor on electric guitar at the 2:51 - 2:54 mark.
I also think that's him playing electric guitar from 3:50 onward in Torn And Frayed (playing along with the pedal steel).

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Taylor is playing on Turd On The Run.

Nope, that's all Keith.

Mathijs

Are you sure?

It sounds suspiciously similar to what Taylor does on Stop Breaking Down, both in sound and in playing style (busy). That's why I took it as a given + the fact that he is turned a bit down in the mix, compared to the leading riff.

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I just looked at the booklet. Taylor is on Pass The Wine, Plundered, Signifying for the actual Exile songs and the three of four outtakes.

So there are 3 more Exile songs he's not on.

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I can clearly hear Taylor on electric guitar at the 2:51 - 2:54 mark.

You mean the intro to the "beautiful buzz-theme, where you can hear two tones sliding up and down a few times"?

I thought about that as well, but I'm not sure.

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This quite somehow tells the fact about Exile:

Line-up ‘Rocks Off’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)
Line-up ‘Rip This Joint’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/Nicky
Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Bill Plummer (upright bass)
Line-up ‘Shake Your Hips’: MJ (voc, harm)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Casino Boogie’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)
Line-up ‘Tumbling Dice’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (some dr)/Bobby Keys (sax)/
Jim Price (tp and/or tb)/Venetta Fields, Clydie King and Sherlie
Matthews (bvoc)
Line-up ‘Sweet Virginia’: MJ (voc, harm)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW
(bass)/CW (dr)/STU (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Gram Parsons and
other friends (bvoc)
Line-up ‘Torn & Frayed’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jim Price (org)/Al Perkins (steel gtr)
Line-up ‘Sweet Black Angel’: MJ (voc, harp)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
CW (perc)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Richard Washington (marimbas)
Line-up ‘Loving Cup’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)/Jimmy
Miller (perc)
Line-up ‘Happy’: MJ (bvoc)/KR (voc, gtr, bass)/MT (gtr)/Jimmy Miller
(dr)/Bobby Keys (sax, perc)/Jim Price (tp, tb)
Line-up ‘Turd On The Run’: MJ (voc, harm)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/CW
(dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bill Plummer (upright bass)
Line-up ‘Ventilator Blues’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)
Line-up ‘Just Wanna See His Face’: MJ (voc)/KR (p)/MT (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Bill Plummer (upright bass)/
Venetta Fields, Clydie King and Jesse Kirkland (bvoc)
Line-up ‘Let It Loose’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)/Tammi
Lynn, Sherlie Matthews, Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Joe Green and
Dr. John (bvoc)
Line-up ‘All Down The Line’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Jimmy Miller (perc)/Bobby Keys (sax)/
Jim Price (tp and/or tb)/Kathi McDonald (bvoc)
Line-up ‘Stop Breaking Down’: MJ (voc, gtr, harm)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr)/BW
(bass)/CW (dr)/STU (p)
Line-up ‘Shine A Light’: MJ (voc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/Jimmy Miller (dr)/
Billy Preston (p, org)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)/
Venetta Fields, Clydie King, Joe Green and Jesse Kirkland (bvoc)
Line-up ‘Soul Survivor’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc, bass)/MT (gtr)/CW (dr)/
Nicky Hopkins (p)/Bobby Keys (sax)/Jim Price (tp and/or tb)

[www.nzentgraf.de]

Somehow, perhaps, but there are mistakes here.

For instance, Taylor doesn't play on Happy:


That happened in one grand bash in France for Exile. I had the riff. The rest of the Stones were late for one reason or another. It was only Bobby Keys there and Jimmy Miller, who was producing. I said, I've got this idea; let's put it down for when the guys arrive. I put down some guitar and vocal, Bobby was on baritone sax and Jimmy was on drums. We listened to it, and I said, I can put another guitar there and a bass. By the time the Stones arrived, we'd cut it. I love it when they drip off the end of the fingers. And I was pretty happy about it, which is why it ended up being called Happy.
- Keith Richards, 2002

[www.timeisonourside.com]

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I can clearly hear Taylor on electric guitar at the 2:51 - 2:54 mark.
I also think that's him playing electric guitar from 3:50 onward in Torn And Frayed (playing along with the pedal steel).

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I also think that's him playing electric guitar from 3:50 onward in Torn And Frayed (playing along with the pedal steel).

Of course!! How could I forget that part - that little snippet is wonderful, and I also have always thought it was Taylor. In fact I'll be a bit crushed if it turns out it isn't..All the images I've had in my head all these years of them playing these songs are proving to to be less that accurate..! That must be Taylor surely. I refuse to believe otherwise.. :-)

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Fuman2
I can clearly hear Taylor on electric guitar at the 2:51 - 2:54 mark.
I also think that's him playing electric guitar from 3:50 onward in Torn And Frayed (playing along with the pedal steel).

You mean the intro to the "beautiful buzz-theme, where you can hear two tones sliding up and down a few times"?

I thought about that as well, but I'm not sure.

I don't agree about Torn And Frayed, though, since those licks are very typical Keith-stuff.

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Fuman2
I can clearly hear Taylor on electric guitar at the 2:51 - 2:54 mark.
I also think that's him playing electric guitar from 3:50 onward in Torn And Frayed (playing along with the pedal steel).

You mean the intro to the "beautiful buzz-theme, where you can hear two tones sliding up and down a few times"?

I thought about that as well, but I'm not sure.

I don't agree about Torn And Frayed, though, since those licks are very typical Keith-stuff.

My "2:51 - 2:54 mark" reference was for Loving Cup, just after the "nitty, gritty, and my shirts all torn" lyric. Now I'm wondering if it's bass guitar . . .

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Loving cup:
Keith plays acoustic, MT electric guitar. Taylor plays his typical blues licks,listen 1:20 and 2:50. Keith don`t play like that in any Stones song.

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Turd on the run:
Taylor comes in about 1:00

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Tumbling dice:
MT plays bass and slide guitar. Starts from 0:09 ,0:27 etc. MT plays second part of solo from 2:00, Keith plays first Chuck Berry part.

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Taylor is absent on:

Torn & Frayed
Sweet Black Angel
Loving Cup
I Just Want To See His Face
Let It Loose

He also plays bass instead of guitar on Tumbling Dice.

Taylor absolutely plays bass on Torn & Frayed.

I don't know about SBA

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There's no Taylor on Loving Cup.

It seems that the tracks that where recorded in LA do not feature Taylor on guitar at all -it seems he was absent for most of the sessions as a guitarist, but did some bass overdubs.

And this actually for me leads to a basic question concerning the sessions -who where present in LA from december 71 to March 72? The story always was that only Jagger and Richards where in LA. Then Wyman added that he and Watts spend three weeks in December 71 in LA. It does seem that Taylor was largely absent from the LA overdub sessions. None of the tracks recorded there feature him (Loving Cup, Turd on the Run etc), and his overdubs seem to be limited to bass. On the tracks he did record with them at Nellcote and Stargroves he's only featured minimaly (except Stop Breaking Down). Rocks Off for example only has Taylor in the intro and outro, and all other guitars are Richards, his parts where wiped (as they where on RTJ).


The same with the brass section -I understand they where all fully recorded at Nellcote, and that Keys and Price where not present in LA. This means that for example for Let It Loose the basic take most probably was done at Olympics, brass at Nellcote, vocals in LA.

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WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
I just looked at the booklet. Taylor is on Pass The Wine, Plundered, Signifying for the actual Exile songs and the three of four outtakes.

So there are 3 more Exile songs he's not on.

He's not on Following The River, Dancing In The Light, Loving Cup (imo), So Divine or Title 5.

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Rocks Off for example only has Taylor in the intro and outro, and all other guitars are Richards, his parts where wiped (as they where on RTJ).

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His Majesty
Since hearing the wonderful 1969 Loving Cup many moons ago I always thought Taylor played the clean toned guitar which mostly sits back playing chords, and some fills, whilst Keith with more dirty tone played most of the fills, lead licks etc etc.

The 2 guitar parts on the outtake and my assumption about who played what seems right because the respective roles and parts are pretty much repeated for the live version from Hyde Park concert.

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Since hearing the wonderful 1969 Loving Cup many moons ago I always thought Taylor played the clean toned guitar which mostly sits back playing chords, and some fills, whilst Keith with more dirty tone played most of the fills, lead licks etc etc.

The 2 guitar parts on the outtake and my assumption about who played what seems right because the respective roles and parts are pretty much repeated for the live version from Hyde Park concert.

In fact, the LC outtake version has many simularities with Honky Tonk Women -same sound, and various licks by both Richards and Taylor are simular. Richards does this open G HTW intro lick before every verse, and Taylor does those country bends he does in HTW as well.

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