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I added some guitars to [HTW], but I didn't play the riffs that start it - that's Keith playing.
I played the country kind of influence on the rock licks between the verses.
- Mick Taylor, 1979, quoted on [www.timeisonourside.com]
... I dont know who did the intro riff I havent read any comments from Keith about the actual riff.
you seem to have missed the crucial bit above where Mick T tells us explicity who plays the intro,
so i've put it in bold print for you.
meanwhile, i know the Keith quote you probably have in mind about Mick T changing HTW -
it used to be on that same [www.timeisonourside.com] page, but it's been removed -
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I know [Keith] played a similar riff during the Satanic sessions so who knows. Until then its Keiths riff.
... don't know what you mean by "until then", but: right, it's Keith's
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No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life
Except for the Last Time riff?
... and other important contributions.
Seems it's only writing when anyone, but Brian creates something.
There's quite a big difference in inventing riffs and throwing in ideas to writing melodies.
I have written plenty of guitar riffs, I have added several ideas while rehearsing or recording, but I have never written a proper song with a melody for a verse and a chorus.
Mathijs
People, including you, are badgering on about who wrote what riff. Keith wrote Satisfaction riff, but Brian invented The Last Time riff? See what I am saying?
Song writing is song writing, but Brian wrote/created music. He contributed greatly to the music of The Rolling Stones. He wrote a film score complete with melodies. Whether you like it or not has nothing to do with the fact there is a film score with his name on it.
What he did during the 7 or so years as a Rolling Stone deserves better than "For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life". Whether he wrote songs or not doesn't matter, but he did indeed write music.
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A gifted musician who brought an awful lot to the [band], but not a writer in any sense.
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To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies.
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No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life
Except for the Last Time riff?
... and other important contributions.
Seems it's only writing when anyone, but Brian creates something.
There's quite a big difference in inventing riffs and throwing in ideas to writing melodies.
I have written plenty of guitar riffs, I have added several ideas while rehearsing or recording, but I have never written a proper song with a melody for a verse and a chorus.
Mathijs
People, including you, are badgering on about who wrote what riff. Keith wrote Satisfaction riff, but Brian invented The Last Time riff? See what I am saying?
Song writing is song writing, but Brian wrote/created music. He contributed greatly to the music of The Rolling Stones. He wrote a film score complete with melodies. Whether you like it or not has nothing to do with the fact there is a film score with his name on it.
What he did during the 7 or so years as a Rolling Stone deserves better than "For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life". Whether he wrote songs or not doesn't matter, but he did indeed write music.
I didn't have any intention to make a difference between 'invent' and 'write'. It's the same to me -I don't know if the Satisfaction riff is 'written' or 'invented', that's basically semantics to me.
But, I don’t find the soundtrack Brian did a good example of Brian’s capabilities of ‘writing’. To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies. All that the soundtrack shows to me is that Brian was Brian wasn’t a good writer. A gifted musician who brought an awful lot to the Stones, but not a writer in any sense.
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To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies.
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Heh, Ronnie Wood has done almost ten solo albums with that method... Writing songs aren't any rocket science, actually...
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To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies.
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Heh, Ronnie Wood has done almost ten solo albums with that method... Writing songs aren't any rocket science, actually...
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You can't seriously compare Wood's body of work with that Jones soundtrack, now can you.
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To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies.
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Heh, Ronnie Wood has done almost ten solo albums with that method... Writing songs aren't any rocket science, actually...
- Doxa
You can't seriously compare Wood's body of work with that Jones soundtrack, now can you.
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Not in quantity but in quality, yes. And I find Brian's soundtrack musically speaking more interesting than Ronnie's body of work that I find extremily mediocre, obvious (full of cliches) and dull. No imagination there. In anything Brian Jones did he has a touch of authenticity and insight and the drive for making a point - that very special feature of musician - I don't find in any Ronnie's doings.
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No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life
Except for the Last Time riff?
... and other important contributions.
Seems it's only writing when anyone, but Brian creates something.
There's quite a big difference in inventing riffs and throwing in ideas to writing melodies.
I have written plenty of guitar riffs, I have added several ideas while rehearsing or recording, but I have never written a proper song with a melody for a verse and a chorus.
Mathijs
People, including you, are badgering on about who wrote what riff. Keith wrote Satisfaction riff, but Brian invented The Last Time riff? See what I am saying?
Song writing is song writing, but Brian wrote/created music. He contributed greatly to the music of The Rolling Stones. He wrote a film score complete with melodies. Whether you like it or not has nothing to do with the fact there is a film score with his name on it.
What he did during the 7 or so years as a Rolling Stone deserves better than "For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life". Whether he wrote songs or not doesn't matter, but he did indeed write music.
I didn't have any intention to make a difference between 'invent' and 'write'. It's the same to me -I don't know if the Satisfaction riff is 'written' or 'invented', that's basically semantics to me.
But, I don’t find the soundtrack Brian did a good example of Brian’s capabilities of ‘writing’. To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies. All that the soundtrack shows to me is that Brian was Brian wasn’t a good writer. A gifted musician who brought an awful lot to the Stones, but not a writer in any sense.
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No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life
Except for the Last Time riff?
... and other important contributions.
Seems it's only writing when anyone, but Brian creates something.
There's quite a big difference in inventing riffs and throwing in ideas to writing melodies.
I have written plenty of guitar riffs, I have added several ideas while rehearsing or recording, but I have never written a proper song with a melody for a verse and a chorus.
Mathijs
People, including you, are badgering on about who wrote what riff. Keith wrote Satisfaction riff, but Brian invented The Last Time riff? See what I am saying?
Song writing is song writing, but Brian wrote/created music. He contributed greatly to the music of The Rolling Stones. He wrote a film score complete with melodies. Whether you like it or not has nothing to do with the fact there is a film score with his name on it.
What he did during the 7 or so years as a Rolling Stone deserves better than "For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life". Whether he wrote songs or not doesn't matter, but he did indeed write music.
I didn't have any intention to make a difference between 'invent' and 'write'. It's the same to me -I don't know if the Satisfaction riff is 'written' or 'invented', that's basically semantics to me.
But, I don’t find the soundtrack Brian did a good example of Brian’s capabilities of ‘writing’. To me, it doesn’t go any further than standard R&B patterns with children’s songs melodies. All that the soundtrack shows to me is that Brian was Brian wasn’t a good writer. A gifted musician who brought an awful lot to the Stones, but not a writer in any sense.
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I think you are talking out of your bum.
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please post one piece of proper music longer than 30 seconds that actually shows that Jones was a decent writer.
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Well, does Bobby claim he wrote the RIFF for Happy? Not clear at this point.