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If I knew how to simply copy a picture from my documents and paste it into this box, I could show a well known photo of Brian plopped on the floor in the studio, beer in hand, looking like he was feeling good as the trio of Charlie, Mick, and Bill stare at him, unamused.

Yah mean this one from 1967 by, I think, John Reader?




This is not to say he didn't turn up wasted, drunk etc etc, but aside from the footage in the We Love You promo I am not aware of any other photos or footage out there which show him in such a state in the studio.

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Read below from an engineer who was actually in the studio with the band ....Give it a rest Redhotcarpet.


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Read below from an engineer who was actually in the studio with the band ....Give it a rest Redhotcarpet.


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What has that to do with anything? Point was that Jones didnt function in the band at all after Anita left him. It's an interesting a very downplayed part of rock history and obvious reason for the mans rapid downfall.

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Read below from an engineer who was actually in the studio with the band ....Give it a rest Redhotcarpet.


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What has that to do with anything? Point was that Jones didnt function in the band at all after Anita left him. It's an interesting a very downplayed part of rock history and obvious reason for the mans rapid downfall.

Downplayed? Are you serious? Brian had problems before and after Anita. The point is it is not all about Anita. Of course, it makes for a wonderful story doesn't it?

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Speaking of loyal Brian followers....

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Speaking of loyal Brian followers....

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

That's the official PR story that doesnt say anything really. In the 60s homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not saying he was stable but that report was made for the trial, after Anita left him, after his intake of drugs increased etc. He was maybe - just speculating here - a narcissist, borderline or maybe bi polar with a drug problem and huge insecurity. At the same time he was being manouvered out of the band and had to deal with Mick Jagger. I wouldnt take that document made for a trial in the obvious purpose to get him off the hook, too seriously. It's like with some of the stories about him, was it an act? He was in his early to mid 20s.

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^^ Ok, enough of this babble!!! ^^

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

That's the official PR story that doesnt say anything really. In the 60s homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not saying he was stable but that report was made for the trial, after Anita left him, after his intake of drugs increased etc. He was maybe - just speculating here - a narcissist, borderline or maybe bi polar with a drug problem and huge insecurity. At the same time he was being manouvered out of the band and had to deal with Mick Jagger. I wouldnt take that document made for a trial in the obvious purpose to get him off the hook, too seriously. It's like with some of the stories about him, was it an act? He was in his early to mid 20s.

Dr. Neustatter was brought in as an independent psychiatrist by the court of appeal. I'll take it seriously. Believe what you want...

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

That's the official PR story that doesnt say anything really. In the 60s homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not saying he was stable but that report was made for the trial, after Anita left him, after his intake of drugs increased etc. He was maybe - just speculating here - a narcissist, borderline or maybe bi polar with a drug problem and huge insecurity. At the same time he was being manouvered out of the band and had to deal with Mick Jagger. I wouldnt take that document made for a trial in the obvious purpose to get him off the hook, too seriously. It's like with some of the stories about him, was it an act? He was in his early to mid 20s.

Dr. Neustatter was brought in as an independent psychiatrist by the court of appeal. I'll take it seriously. Believe what you want...

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

That's the official PR story that doesnt say anything really. In the 60s homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not saying he was stable but that report was made for the trial, after Anita left him, after his intake of drugs increased etc. He was maybe - just speculating here - a narcissist, borderline or maybe bi polar with a drug problem and huge insecurity. At the same time he was being manouvered out of the band and had to deal with Mick Jagger. I wouldnt take that document made for a trial in the obvious purpose to get him off the hook, too seriously. It's like with some of the stories about him, was it an act? He was in his early to mid 20s.

Dr. Neustatter was brought in as an independent psychiatrist by the court of appeal. I'll take it seriously. Believe what you want...

I dont believe anything I have a realistic approach and I find the ongoing drama, real or not, within a person to be interesting.

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In early 1968 Brian seems full of hope and excitment for the bands return to orbit, fast forward to late 1968 and it seems his heart was truly no longer in it anymore.

Yes I agree, he seemes to have had a short period when he tried to pretend to have forgotten Anita (he never did, that's obvious), and he had been right about returning to the roots and he was maybe, maybe given a slight tiny shread of hope from Mick about being part of the band. Maybe he just felt he was right about Satanic being shite and enjoyed reading about Mick's mistake.

Maybe he didnt feel hated right before Beggars. Maybe Marianne simply talked Mick into being diplomatic. No way Mick planned to continue with Brian after 1967, no way. I think this is what people who were present in the studio mean when they say things got ugly and Brian was treated like shit. We dont have to repeat the old "Brian was horrible and got what he deserved".

Charlie said the band was the last thing he had in life. That rings very true on many levels. He doesnt say Brian could have functioned in the band. Bill says Brian could not function as it was his band from the start and one cannot ignore the change of power, Brian could not be in a band with Mick and Keith after Keith got together with Anita.

Brian had to go but he didnt want to go and he could not stay so he died.

You are speculating....he was in the band for two years after Anita. You are fixated on the idea of "Brian couldn't live without Anita". His real problem was probably drugs. Notice I said probably because I am speculating. He had emotional problems. I am not speculating there because there are psychiatric reports to confirm this. Mix emotional problems with the drug (and alcohol) intake and it made the problems worse. No rehab back in the 1960s.

That's the official PR story that doesnt say anything really. In the 60s homosexuality was considered a mental illness. Not saying he was stable but that report was made for the trial, after Anita left him, after his intake of drugs increased etc. He was maybe - just speculating here - a narcissist, borderline or maybe bi polar with a drug problem and huge insecurity. At the same time he was being manouvered out of the band and had to deal with Mick Jagger. I wouldnt take that document made for a trial in the obvious purpose to get him off the hook, too seriously. It's like with some of the stories about him, was it an act? He was in his early to mid 20s.

Dr. Neustatter was brought in as an independent psychiatrist by the court of appeal. I'll take it seriously. Believe what you want...

I have a realistic approach and I find the ongoing drama, real or not, within a person to be interesting.

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If I knew how to simply copy a picture from my documents and paste it into this box, I could show a well known photo of Brian plopped on the floor in the studio, beer in hand, looking like he was feeling good as the trio of Charlie, Mick, and Bill stare at him, unamused.

Yah mean this one from 1967 by, I think, John Reader?




This is not to say he didn't turn up wasted, drunk etc etc, but aside from the footage in the We Love You promo I am not aware of any other photos or footage out there which show him in such a state in the studio.

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If I knew how to simply copy a picture from my documents and paste it into this box, I could show a well known photo of Brian plopped on the floor in the studio, beer in hand, looking like he was feeling good as the trio of Charlie, Mick, and Bill stare at him, unamused.

Yah mean this one from 1967 by, I think, John Reader?




This is not to say he didn't turn up wasted, drunk etc etc, but aside from the footage in the We Love You promo I am not aware of any other photos or footage out there which show him in such a state in the studio.

Brian let his problems interfere with the business of the Stones by either not showing up, or showing up in a state where he couldn not contribute.

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Brian's emotional and drug (drink) problems interferred for sure. Those pesky cops harrassing him didn't help either. Like Keith said....he wasn't a cat that could handle that.

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Brian's emotional and drug (drink) problems interferred for sure. Those pesky cops harrassing him didn't help either. Like Keith said....he wasn't a cat that could handle that.

Neither could he handle losing Anita. Like Keith said: shit happens.

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Brian Jones had allegedly injured his hand in a domestic dispute, which forced the Stones to pre-record the two songs they had scheduled.

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I read in another thread that you recommended Terry Rawlings Who Killed Christopher Robin

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Brian's emotional and drug (drink) problems interferred for sure. Those pesky cops harrassing him didn't help either. Like Keith said....he wasn't a cat that could handle that.

Neither could he handle losing Anita. Like Keith said: shit happens.

Like I said believe what you want. You almost had me believing....until I read in another thread that you recommended Terry Rawlings Who Killed Christopher Robin? He could have written a good book, but didn't... read Aftel's book if you haven't already....