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Please explain how Tumbling Dice is 'country', treacle.

Mick's vocal melody lines are country-inspired.

which country?

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Please explain how Tumbling Dice is 'country', treacle.

Mick's vocal melody lines are country-inspired.

which country?

The Tennessee-state of america

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And Paul Butterfield is chopped liver?




Yup, Paul is a Pop-Star...

This is a pop star?

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Please explain how Tumbling Dice is 'country', treacle.

no

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Not sure about the blues hall of fame, but the country hall of fame seems a shoe-in.

Wild Horses, Dear Doctor, You Got the Silver, Tumbling Dice, Honky Tonk Women/Country Honk, Far Away Eyes, most of the second Some Girls Deluxe disc...I could go on, but I've probably listed all the songs.

Disco Hall of Fame anyone??? Reggae? They should get a nod for the Hip-Hop Hall of Fame for Anybody Seen My Baby?

ok, i think it's a rap...

you mean this thread...if so, it's spelt wrap.

oh? shouldn't it be spelled whip-whop, then?

I will only note that it took you several hours to come up with that retort...not that I didn't like it.

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Not sure about the blues hall of fame, but the country hall of fame seems a shoe-in.

Wild Horses, Dear Doctor, You Got the Silver, Tumbling Dice, Honky Tonk Women/Country Honk, Far Away Eyes, most of the second Some Girls Deluxe disc...I could go on, but I've probably listed all the songs.

Disco Hall of Fame anyone??? Reggae? They should get a nod for the Hip-Hop Hall of Fame for Anybody Seen My Baby?

ok, i think it's a rap...

you mean this thread...if so, it's spelt wrap.

oh? shouldn't it be spelled whip-whop, then?

I will only note that it took you several hours to come up with that retort...not that I didn't like it.

you assume i just sit here at all hours of the day and night? well, that may be so...but sometimes i just stare at the screen with my mouth agape and am unable to understand what i read. prolly the case here...

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Not sure about the blues hall of fame, but the country hall of fame seems a shoe-in.

Wild Horses, Dear Doctor, You Got the Silver, Tumbling Dice, Honky Tonk Women/Country Honk, Far Away Eyes, most of the second Some Girls Deluxe disc...I could go on, but I've probably listed all the songs.

Disco Hall of Fame anyone??? Reggae? They should get a nod for the Hip-Hop Hall of Fame for Anybody Seen My Baby?

ok, i think it's a rap...

you mean this thread...if so, it's spelt wrap.

oh? shouldn't it be spelled whip-whop, then?

I will only note that it took you several hours to come up with that retort...not that I didn't like it.

you assume i just sit here at all hours of the day and night? well, that may be so...but sometimes i just stare at the screen with my mouth agape and am unable to understand what i read. prolly the case here...

I have that same expression when I'm watching porn.

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Yes, without them spreading the word it would have taken some of the old bluesers a lot longer to be recognized by the musical mainstream.

To quote BB King from the GYYYO bonus disk:

“I’d like to dedicate this number to […] the Stones; if it hadn’t been for them, none of you would have heard of BB King.”

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Yes, without them spreading the word it would have taken some of the old bluesers a lot longer to be recognized by the musical mainstream.

To quote BB King from the GYYYO bonus disk:

“I’d like to dedicate this number to […] the Stones; if it hadn’t been for them, none of you would have heard of BB King.”

that's cos it was a white crowd of little kids...bb was a bigtime star by then...

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Please explain how Tumbling Dice is 'country', treacle.

Mick's vocal melody lines are country-inspired.

which country?

Mick often sings in the pentatonic major (the country scale), or at least mixes notes from that with the pentatonic minor scale (which is basically the blues scale)...mix them together and you have rock'n' f'n roll!

Keef almnost always mixes them together,&nd he rarely sticks to juSt the pentanOic maJor or minor.

And you'll never hear him playing a mode, such as the dorian, mixolydian, or superlocrian...nosiree!!!



I think the Stones should be in the Blues H'oF just because of their introducing the bloooz to a very wide audinece...namely us white folk!



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Mick often sings in the pentatonic major (the country scale), or at least mixes notes from that with the pentatonic minor scale (which is basically the blues scale)...mix them together and you have rock'n' f'n roll!

pent = 5, right? does he sing in this scale because there's five in the band? just wondrin'....

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Mick often sings in the pentatonic major (the country scale), or at least mixes notes from that with the pentatonic minor scale (which is basically the blues scale)...mix them together and you have rock'n' f'n roll!

pent = 5, right? does he sing in this scale because there's five in the band? just wondrin'....

it's cuz he only has 5 strings.

I say I say....

They're already in the RnR HoF. Their primary musical contribution is as a rock 'n' roll band. So leave it at that.

There's a limited amount of space in these places. Induction into other musical HoFs may bump some other deserving musician who made their primary contribution in that particular form of music.

Ya'll are right. They were just playin' with the blues. Sound just like Herman's Hermits on this one.


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If you start letting in rock bands that were inspired by the blues, that played the blues from time to time (with varying degrees of success) into the Blues Hall Of Fame, it is just going to turn into another R&R Hall Of Fame. And all these old blues musicians that should be the focus of such a place, a lot of which are not well known, are going to be upstaged by the likes of the Stones, Zeppelin, etc.

The Stones don't need to be in the Blues Hall Of Fame any more than they need to be in the Country Music Hall Of Fame, Dance Music Hall Of Fame, or the Reggae Hall Of Fame. We all love the Stones, and they are a diverse group who have at least dabbled in most every form of music, that doesn't mean they need to be in their respective Hall Of Fame's. Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

the stones should start their own HOF. i'm not sure who should be inducted first...hmmm...don't really think the stones qualify....hmmm....

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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

With all due respect, when exactly did they move on from the blues? 'Rough Justice' is blues rock, and 'Back of My Hand' is authentic Delta blues. It seems like the blues have always been an integral element of their sound. It's always the blues in one form or another that they return to after forays into psychedelia, hard rock, reggae, disco, or whatever flavor of the year. Just because a Stones song is uptempo doesn't mean it's not the blues. I would argue that they haven't been a particularly hard rock group in comparison to how the blues have stretched across their entire career. (Except for Satanic Majesties).

There's some stirrings of harder rock on Beggars, that continues on, but peters out after Exile. 'Start Me Up' was about the hardest rock thing they did from 1973-1981. Maybe it's me, but I think the base of the group is blues and R&B, more than rock and roll. And they didn't just flirt with the blues, they upped the ante, especially in the Brian days.

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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

With all due respect, when exactly did they move on from the blues?

march 3, 1964, 10:32 pm...although the exact moment has been lost forever, it seems...

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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

With all due respect, when exactly did they move on from the blues? 'Rough Justice' is blues rock, and 'Back of My Hand' is authentic Delta blues. It seems like the blues have always been an integral element of their sound. It's always the blues in one form or another that they return to after forays into psychedelia, hard rock, reggae, disco, or whatever flavor of the year. Just because a Stones song is uptempo doesn't mean it's not the blues. I would argue that they haven't been a particularly hard rock group in comparison to how the blues have stretched across their entire career. (Except for Satanic Majesties).

There's some stirrings of harder rock on Beggars, that continues on, but peters out after Exile. 'Start Me Up' was about the hardest rock thing they did from 1973-1981. Maybe it's me, but I think the base of the group is blues and R&B, more than rock and roll. And they didn't just flirt with the blues, they upped the ante, especially in the Brian days.

I'm not saying they never play the Blues anymore, or dropped it entirely, but they aren't primarily a Blues band. Not focused on it as much as they were early in their career. The Stones are a Rock band first and foremost. Yes they sometimes play the blues, and often blur the line between rock and blues. The Stones have many influences, and blues is just one of them. I think the Blues Hall Of Fame should be pure blues. Bands like the Stones, Zeppelin, Yardbirds, and all of those are a sub-genre of blues at best. Blues-Rock or whatever you want to call it. And blues isn't the sole focus of those groups. If any of those bands get in the Blues Hall Of Fame it should just be as part of an exhibit about other artists influenced by the blues.

And I don't think "Rough Justice" is Blues, that's just a straight forward rocker in my opinion. It takes more than some slide guitar thrown in to make a song Blues, just like it takes more than an acoustic guitar and a cowboy hat to make a song Country.

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the stones should start their own HOF. i'm not sure who should be inducted first...hmmm...don't really think the stones qualify....hmmm....

Some fanboy could gather his memorabilia and start his own Stones museum, like the Ramones fan in Berlin who started the Ramones museum (worth the trip for those inclined).

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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

With all due respect, when exactly did they move on from the blues? 'Rough Justice' is blues rock, and 'Back of My Hand' is authentic Delta blues. It seems like the blues have always been an integral element of their sound. It's always the blues in one form or another that they return to after forays into psychedelia, hard rock, reggae, disco, or whatever flavor of the year. Just because a Stones song is uptempo doesn't mean it's not the blues. I would argue that they haven't been a particularly hard rock group in comparison to how the blues have stretched across their entire career. (Except for Satanic Majesties).

There's some stirrings of harder rock on Beggars, that continues on, but peters out after Exile. 'Start Me Up' was about the hardest rock thing they did from 1973-1981. Maybe it's me, but I think the base of the group is blues and R&B, more than rock and roll. And they didn't just flirt with the blues, they upped the ante, especially in the Brian days.

I'm not saying they never play the Blues anymore, or dropped it entirely, but they aren't primarily a Blues band. Not focused on it as much as they were early in their career. The Stones are a Rock band first and foremost. Yes they sometimes play the blues, and often blur the line between rock and blues. The Stones have many influences, and blues is just one of them. I think the Blues Hall Of Fame should be pure blues. Bands like the Stones, Zeppelin, Yardbirds, and all of those are a sub-genre of blues at best. Blues-Rock or whatever you want to call it. And blues isn't the sole focus of those groups. If any of those bands get in the Blues Hall Of Fame it should just be as part of an exhibit about other artists influenced by the blues.

And I don't think "Rough Justice" is Blues, that's just a straight forward rocker in my opinion. It takes more than some slide guitar thrown in to make a song Blues, just like it takes more than an acoustic guitar and a cowboy hat to make a song Country.

I dont't think the point is to evaluate how much in percents or in whatever the Stones play the blues; the point is recognize how much the Stones, or some other of the English r&b scene, at the time influenced to the whole world recognize the blues to exist. Like I wrote above, by the time when the British kids a'la Mick and Brian and Keith and Eric etc. fell in love with the blues, the whole genre was already dying as far as its original audience goes. The black folks people in big cities, and everywhere in America, had a new groove going on - the new sounds of r&b, soul that is; James Brown, Motown and all of that coming - and the blues, and its 'slavery' cotton field sound was out of time. Without the British devition the whole genre would have been who konws how very small genre now, and supposedly any of those non-Afro-American names now out there even in the hall of fame- Winter, SRV, Dr. John, Bonnie Raitt - would not ever find there their without that impact. I think it is strange by the Blues of Hall of Fame to not recognize at all 'officially' the significance of the British blues movement in the history and in the so called development of the blues. Even Scorcese devoted one chapter of his series on blues to the British movement.

- Doxa



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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

the blues have stretched across their entire career. (Except for Satanic Majesties).

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2000 Light Years From Home = Interstellar Blues

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Yes, they started out with roots in Blues, but like it or not, they haven't stayed true to those roots. And I don't mean that as an insult, I just mean they moved on from that. They've never been a Blues band, they're just a Rock/Pop band that plays Blues from time to time. And when they were at their most Bluesey, they mainly just played covers.

With all due respect, when exactly did they move on from the blues? 'Rough Justice' is blues rock, and 'Back of My Hand' is authentic Delta blues. It seems like the blues have always been an integral element of their sound. It's always the blues in one form or another that they return to after forays into psychedelia, hard rock, reggae, disco, or whatever flavor of the year. Just because a Stones song is uptempo doesn't mean it's not the blues. I would argue that they haven't been a particularly hard rock group in comparison to how the blues have stretched across their entire career. (Except for Satanic Majesties).

There's some stirrings of harder rock on Beggars, that continues on, but peters out after Exile. 'Start Me Up' was about the hardest rock thing they did from 1973-1981. Maybe it's me, but I think the base of the group is blues and R&B, more than rock and roll. And they didn't just flirt with the blues, they upped the ante, especially in the Brian days.

I'm not saying they never play the Blues anymore, or dropped it entirely, but they aren't primarily a Blues band. Not focused on it as much as they were early in their career. The Stones are a Rock band first and foremost. Yes they sometimes play the blues, and often blur the line between rock and blues. The Stones have many influences, and blues is just one of them. I think the Blues Hall Of Fame should be pure blues. Bands like the Stones, Zeppelin, Yardbirds, and all of those are a sub-genre of blues at best. Blues-Rock or whatever you want to call it. And blues isn't the sole focus of those groups. If any of those bands get in the Blues Hall Of Fame it should just be as part of an exhibit about other artists influenced by the blues.

And I don't think "Rough Justice" is Blues, that's just a straight forward rocker in my opinion. It takes more than some slide guitar thrown in to make a song Blues, just like it takes more than an acoustic guitar and a cowboy hat to make a song Country.

I dont't think the point is to evaluate how much in percents or in whatever the Stones play the blues; the point is recognize how much the Stones, or some other of the English r&b scene, at the time influenced to the whole world recognize the blues to exist. Like I wrote above, by the time when the British kids a'la Mick and Brian and Keith and Eric etc. fell in love with the blues, the whole genre was already dying as far as its original audience goes. The black folks people in big cities, and everywhere in America, had a new groove going on - the new sounds of r&b, soul that is; James Brown, Motown and all of that coming - and the blues, and its 'slavery' cotton field sound was out of time. Without the British devition the whole genre would have been who konws how very small genre now, and supposedly any of those non-Afro-American names now out there even in the hall of fame- Winter, SRV, Dr. John, Bonnie Raitt - would not ever find there their without that impact. I think it is strange by the Blues of Hall of Fame to not recognize at all 'officially' the significance of the British blues movement in the history and in the so called development of the blues. Even Scorcese devoted one chapter of his series on blues to the British movement.

- Doxa

100% agree Doxa...and by recording the blues songs in the early days, they helped repopularize, in fact made the blues more popular globally than ever before AND maybe even had some royalties flow to some of the old bluesmen. Not sure whether they actually belong in the hall of fame, for their blueswork, but for their contribution to the genre absolutely.