..sorry,....but i think it's OT because i think it has probably been discussed way too many times and I dont want to bore anyone (no doubt some @#$%& will be bored...i'll wait for it)..

i think Mick Taylor's effort on Stray Cat in MSG 1969 is one of his most finest!!!
so amazing, fluent...i will argue his finest from 1969 !

Not boring at all. The Stones reworked alot of their songs for the '69 and having a crackin' new guitarist to play with them gave the songs a new life. They became a new band in 1969 and Mick helped them to to do so...

a little boring, i think...

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Not boring at all. The Stones reworked alot of their songs for the '69 and having a crackin' new guitarist to play with them gave the songs a new life. They became a new band in 1969 and Mick helped them to to do so...

I agree with you ChrisM. They were expanding songs, jamming things out and taking some chances. I love the sound and the result that followed.

I wonder if there were any people at the 1969 MSG (or Baltimore as part of YaYas is from that city) concerts thinking: 'I'll never see the Stones again...they totally rearranged XXXXXX song with this new guitarist...I miss Brian'.

Its one of the greatest unkown solos of all time to the mass mainstream music fan.Blusey,dirty, graveyard setting.

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Not boring at all. The Stones reworked alot of their songs for the '69 and having a crackin' new guitarist to play with them gave the songs a new life. They became a new band in 1969 and Mick helped them to to do so...

I agree with you ChrisM. They were expanding songs, jamming things out and taking some chances. I love the sound and the result that followed.

I wonder if there were any people at the 1969 MSG (or Baltimore as part of YaYas is from that city) concerts thinking: 'I'll never see the Stones again...they totally rearranged XXXXXX song with this new guitarist...I miss Brian'.

stones fans always seem to need the old songs -IN 69, paint it black girl , jagger apologised for the new stuff ( on some boot) and even in vancouver 72 he asks what the people want , new songs or old ones and you can clearly hear them shout OLD ONES !!

of course of the old ones in 69 all of them are a step above the originals.

The Leeds 71' version is my favorite, mainly because of Taylor.

SFTD is not a guitar song. There is a solo there, but the guitar comes in very late in the song and is not the dominant instrument. It's more of a piano/percussion song. But in '69 it was a GUITAR song. That is what I remember coming away with. This is a GUITAR band, a great GUITAR band and every song arrangement on stage revolves around that point. The other point was it is a groove band. The mix of guitar solos and rhythms was a clear and impressive statement by the band. That is what Iggy Pop was talking about in that quote I posted sometime back. It was audacious and the songs had a distinct life separate from the studio recording. The studio arrangements were adapted on stage to the skills of the guitar players. Boring? No way. It was a revelation. SCB was the first moment in the show when Taylor got to exhibit his blues lead prowess.

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..sorry,....but i think it's OT because i think it has probably been discussed way too many times and I dont want to bore anyone (no doubt some @#$%& will be bored...i'll wait for it)..

i think Mick Taylor's effort on Stray Cat in MSG 1969 is one of his most finest!!!
so amazing, fluent...i will argue his finest from 1969 !

Yes - this is one of the finest examples of the Stones doing a completely different arrangement from the studio version. It's one of my favorite tracks on my favorite live album of all time - Ya Ya's! Hearing Keith thrash away at the chords with pure abandon behind Mick Taylor's licks is to hear some of the finest minutes in rock and roll.

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of course of the old ones in 69 all of them are a step above the originals.

Not a step above, just different.

taylor playing stray cat on yas yas is killer!

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of course of the old ones in 69 all of them are a step above the originals.

Not a step above, just different.

different, and a step above

It's not so much that Taylor was able to show off his Blues prowess. It is not a trad 1-4-5 blues at all. I think it shows how versatile Taylor is, and melodic. On something like "Love in Vain" he is wailing on the Blues, but this is more blues based rock ( I know it is just titles).
But I have to say that to me it was always Keith who was even more impressive o this very song; the live '69 rendition. Matter of fact if someone asks me for one of my alltime favorite rock guitar parts, it is Keith behind Taylor in the SCB solo on Ya-Ya's. It goes from C-G-D ending on the A/Asus, and Keith is so raunchy and solid back there.

Thi guy has the right idea I think:


Stray Cat Blues - Get Your Ya Yas Out

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of course of the old ones in 69 all of them are a step above the originals.

Not a step above, just different.

different, and a step above

No, just different.

Taylor's guitar on SCB on Ya Ya's is awesome, and it's a great version.

Still, nothing can touch the original studio version, imo. That danger is hard to re-create, so that's probably why the Stones tried a different arrangement live.

In his masterpiece 'Experience', Martin Amis describes how the power of 'Stray Cat Blues' got his attention, when listening to the newly issue GYYYO.
He does not mention Mick Taylor's solo, but it seems more than obvious that he was very impressed by his effort.
In 'Mistery Train' Greil Marcus quotes Oackland's 'Love in Vain' as one of the highest moment in history of live music.
Johnny Thunder, Iggy Pop and many other have already paid their tribute to this tour. It seems that, for some reason or another, everybody has his own 'best' when talking about the 1969 tour.
I refuse to take part to Brian Jones vs Mick Taylor debate, but I dare to say that if BJ remained a Stone, we'd never got such a tour, the way we know it.
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stones fans always seem to need the old songs -IN 69, paint it black girl , jagger apologised for the new stuff ( on some boot) and even in vancouver 72 he asks what the people want , new songs or old ones and you can clearly hear them shout OLD ONES !!

of course of the old ones in 69 all of them are a step above the originals.

It's just that they wanna hear something they know. The new songs aren't yet ingrained in their consciousness the way the old ones are. That's why we get the hits-heavy setlists of today. It's why all the old late 60's and 70's classics have become "war horses".

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I refuse to take part to Brian Jones vs Mick Taylor debate, but I dare to say that if BJ remained a Stone, we'd never got such a tour, the way we know it.

I think everyone can agree that for better or worse the tour would not have been the same, or even maybe have taken place had Brian Jones remained a member of The Rolling Stones.

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I refuse to take part to Brian Jones vs Mick Taylor debate, but I dare to say that if BJ remained a Stone, we'd never got such a tour, the way we know it.

I think everyone can agree that for better or worse the tour would not have been the same, or even maybe have taken place had Brian Jones remained a member of The Rolling Stones.

I agree too it wouldn't been the same, but I'm not sure the tour would's take place with a new guitarist

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Possibly the greatest guitar solo on a Rolling Stones record. I love the way he switches between the major and minor pentatonic. Up there with "Sway", which sadly was nver perfromed live while Taylor was in the band.

It's great but a little busy for me. I have always thought his guitar on SFM was the highlight of that album. What a tone, incredible vibrato.

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Thi guy has the right idea I think:


Stray Cat Blues - Get Your Ya Yas Out

I think he has the right idea too. One can see how he is plainlky following the chords in his positioning. I saw this clip once where Taylor was giving kind of pointers to guitar playing in a video; and what he showed was very basic. His solo-ing is real decptive because it SEEMS very simple, but he always ma: like what they call 'rock-boxes'.
But then he manages to tie all the boxes together into a melody.
That is the main strength of Taylor's solos IMO - that they are memorable, hummable.

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It's great but a little busy for me. I have always thought his guitar on SFM was the highlight of that album. What a tone, incredible vibrato.

that is the greatness of ya-ya's , its got so many highlights and outstanding guitarparts of both keith and mick, there is something for everyone !

Yes, I like this version, too. The Beggars version and Ya Ya's version are two songs, actually. On Beggars Stray Cat is somewhat of an early Punk song with a distorted lead guitar at the end. There is no actual solo on it. MT on Ya Ya's carved out the underlying blues structure of Stray Cat and had the technical abilities to play an ingenious blues-solo. No one of the line-up in '68 was able to play such a guitar solo.

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On Beggars Stray Cat is somewhat of an early Punk song with a distorted lead guitar at the end.

There's 2 or 3 lead guitars on the studio version from the 2nd chorus onwards.



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On Beggars Stray Cat is somewhat of an early Punk song with a distorted lead guitar at the end.

There's 2 or 3 lead guitars on the studio version from the 2nd chorus onwards.

Yes, you're right, but only the aforementioned last guitar scenario has the character of a solo part I think.

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a little boring, i think...

You think Chuck Leavell isn't boring, but the solo on SCB from ya Yas is. You kill me Tod.

i didn't say that - i said that eleanor's post was a little boring. jeez. i hate having to explain myself.

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a little boring, i think...

You think Chuck Leavell isn't boring, but the solo on SCB from ya Yas is. You kill me Tod.

i didn't say that - i said that eleanor's post was a little boring. jeez. i hate having to explain myself.

I withdraw my comment, sir. With apologies.