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Gazza
[If I'm not mistaken (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), this means that from the first show, we have the full gig as a soundboard from various sources. From the second show, we're missing Brown Sugar, Midnight Rambler and Street Fighting Man from sbd/broadcast sources. As Mathijs has pointed out, 'All Down The Line' on the new release comes from the 2nd show, with Taylor's botched solo replaced by punching in his solo from the 1st show. The complete ADTL from the 2nd show has appeared on some bootlegs in broadcast form.
Brown Sugar, Street Fighting Man and Midnight Rambler seem to be uncirculated from the 2nd show in either audience or soundboard form. Can anyone confirm?
Good article here well worth reading - [www.rollingstonesnet.com]
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MileHigh
On SF who is singing counterpoint? Is that Mick Taylor, because his guitar is on the same channel.
The new version lacks a feeling of "audience and performer buzz" that the original has. The "buzz" in the original bootleg is palatable, you can feel a "rush" permeating the audience/performer/music. It's like everybody just did a fat line. lol
In the new release the vocals are much clearer. Same for the horn section and the organ, and those mysterious non-KR backing vocals.
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Jah Paul
Billy Preston perhaps?
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Erik_Snow
BTW - the previously "known" 6 tracks from 2nd Brussels were never broadcasted, but merely a very muddy line-recording. When circulating in 1996;
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Erik_Snow
BTW - the previously "known" 6 tracks from 2nd Brussels were never broadcasted, but merely a very muddy line-recording. When circulating in 1996;
These recordings were circulating longe before 1996. I have them since 1983. It was two different tapes, the 1st including (All Down The Line - Rip This Joint - Gimme Shelter - Happy - Star Star), the 2nd including (Happy - Tumbling Dice - Star Star)
by the way, happy & Star Star appeared on "Commando Raid", a bootleg LP released in 1982.
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Palace Revolution 2000
Keith's vocals on "Happy" are fantastic (as are Jagger's co-vocals)
Jagger's outro on "Tumbling Dice" is also unique; have never heard him do a little 'story':
" you know baby,when I get home, when it be early in the morning, somewhere in the afternoon, you know I need somebody to say 'come on in baby, I wanna give you a big kiss now baby come on, mother f*cker come on.."
But I can see how Taylor comes off too low in the mix. I heard it especially during "Gimme Shelter". GS '73 often sounded out of control, as it should, with overdrive; with lead guitars stepping on lead vocals. I prefer it the old way. The new GS sounds a bit reigned in.
The horns have been processed too. They have acquired that compact '89 sound;where it comes across a section, tight and professional. What I always LOVE about the early 70-72 Stones horns is that you can hear Jim and Bobby very specifiaclly, separate, a bit out of tune. "@#$%&" and "Happy" horns got that sheen where it might as well be a synth.
Speaking of "Starf*cker" I love Taylor on here; on Ch. Berry type numbers he gives Keith space (Ronnie will riff right next to Keith). Keith's guitar is moved to the center for the solo, then back to his channel. Love Charlie's Hi-Hat, especially in 3rd verse. Jagger says "If I ever get back to Jackson girl.."
Rest of GHS tracks:
"Dancing with Mr D" has the Bill's up front. Bill Wyman is carrying it; his Bass sounds like a hungry bear. Check out Billy Preston's xtra dynamics on the organ at about 2:21. Taylor going into second half of solo and Billy pushes along behind him.
"Heartbreaker" is IMO the bets live version I've heard. I never liked it live; the sections always sound rushed together; they don't seem to flow with elegance. The funk break is usually too short, and coming OUT of the break often is a train wreck. (Most performers on this forum probably know about this). But here it works. First off - Bill Wyman is outstanding! in the verses. DJ can't touch it. Then comes a good Q&A that Jagger and Billy do on "Oh yeah". The funk break Taylor wisely waits a good bit for the clavinet and Keith's guitar to establish a solid groove; then he comes in @ 3:07 with some dirt. And they actually let it build a while before coming out. You can hear Jagger pushing them along wanting the change earlier.
"Angie" is great. For starters it sounds like they took the great performance and ran them through a laundry cycle of fabric softener. A 73 live rendition of this song is normally jagged and spikey. Keith's guitar is rounded off a bit. Jager climbs up on the melody for "let me whisper in your ear" like in studio version. Then sings in French. Plus - I love Keith solo-ing at the end over the D minor changes.
YCAGWYW - I wonder so much if Jagger knew something about recording. Was there anything special about this date? He sure sings especially well on these performances; lots of unique little twists. The opening verse is stellar. And the vocal sound too. Keith is also singing very well. I read somewhere that someone was praising Keith's guitar behind the sax solo. I agree. But again - I prefer Bobby over Trevor. And once more: Bill Wyman rules.
The rest later.
Nice, review, Palace Revolution 2000! I agree with pretty much all of it. Definitely agree about Heartbreaker live -- it usually doesn't flow all that well, and the funk break -- although funky -- feels tacked on. But this version is pretty good indeed. Bill Wyman's bass is tremendous on all songs, and the new mix serves him really well.Quote
Palace Revolution 2000
Keith's vocals on "Happy" are fantastic (as are Jagger's co-vocals)
Jagger's outro on "Tumbling Dice" is also unique; have never heard him do a little 'story':
" you know baby,when I get home, when it be early in the morning, somewhere in the afternoon, you know I need somebody to say 'come on in baby, I wanna give you a big kiss now baby come on, mother f*cker come on.."
But I can see how Taylor comes off too low in the mix. I heard it especially during "Gimme Shelter". GS '73 often sounded out of control, as it should, with overdrive; with lead guitars stepping on lead vocals. I prefer it the old way. The new GS sounds a bit reigned in.
The horns have been processed too. They have acquired that compact '89 sound;where it comes across a section, tight and professional. What I always LOVE about the early 70-72 Stones horns is that you can hear Jim and Bobby very specifiaclly, separate, a bit out of tune. "@#$%&" and "Happy" horns got that sheen where it might as well be a synth.
Speaking of "Starf*cker" I love Taylor on here; on Ch. Berry type numbers he gives Keith space (Ronnie will riff right next to Keith). Keith's guitar is moved to the center for the solo, then back to his channel. Love Charlie's Hi-Hat, especially in 3rd verse. Jagger says "If I ever get back to Jackson girl.."
Rest of GHS tracks:
"Dancing with Mr D" has the Bill's up front. Bill Wyman is carrying it; his Bass sounds like a hungry bear. Check out Billy Preston's xtra dynamics on the organ at about 2:21. Taylor going into second half of solo and Billy pushes along behind him.
"Heartbreaker" is IMO the bets live version I've heard. I never liked it live; the sections always sound rushed together; they don't seem to flow with elegance. The funk break is usually too short, and coming OUT of the break often is a train wreck. (Most performers on this forum probably know about this). But here it works. First off - Bill Wyman is outstanding! in the verses. DJ can't touch it. Then comes a good Q&A that Jagger and Billy do on "Oh yeah". The funk break Taylor wisely waits a good bit for the clavinet and Keith's guitar to establish a solid groove; then he comes in @ 3:07 with some dirt. And they actually let it build a while before coming out. You can hear Jagger pushing them along wanting the change earlier.
"Angie" is great. For starters it sounds like they took the great performance and ran them through a laundry cycle of fabric softener. A 73 live rendition of this song is normally jagged and spikey. Keith's guitar is rounded off a bit. Jager climbs up on the melody for "let me whisper in your ear" like in studio version. Then sings in French. Plus - I love Keith solo-ing at the end over the D minor changes.
YCAGWYW - I wonder so much if Jagger knew something about recording. Was there anything special about this date? He sure sings especially well on these performances; lots of unique little twists. The opening verse is stellar. And the vocal sound too. Keith is also singing very well. I read somewhere that someone was praising Keith's guitar behind the sax solo. I agree. But again - I prefer Bobby over Trevor. And once more: Bill Wyman rules.
The rest later.
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Mathijs
So, after 40 or so very loud listening sessions it still is a tie. This new BA release has fantastic separation, and especially the drums and bass makes it a fantastic listen. It really is the best release since Exile.
But, I prefer the guitar sound of the first show, and I still think the first show was a much better show. And with the inclusion of the London Happy, GS, Heartbreaker and SFM it really is the ultimate Rolling Stones document.
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mstmst
Great stuff - I have to say that the performance of Tumbling Dice on the original boot (one of the most sublime moments in Stones history)
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marclaff
By the way, Bruxelles is partially a french town.