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Considering that Brian used to beat the crap out of Anita, I doubt he was really capable of loving her.

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Considering that Brian used to beat the crap out of Anita, I doubt he was really capable of loving her.

They had a weird relationship (alcohol and drugs tend to bring out the worst in people) and the violence went both ways. But I don't doubt that there was love.

Even though Brian's father claim to believe that Brian's true love was Anita I doubt it. So who was it? My guess is Linda Lawrence. She came into his life before he got hooked on alcohol and drugs. Being an addict screwed him up even more emotionally and after that he think he was looking more for comfort than love.

On the hand Come On has a very good point. Brian's true love that we all know of was music and most of it all - the blues.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-18 02:23 by stupidguy2.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its
text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

Yep, he was abusive. But what are you basing the rest on? What sources?

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its
text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

Yep, he was abusive. But what are you basing the rest on? What sources?

These are opinions, theories. None of us know anything outside what we've read. Just a guess. That's all we can do.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its
text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

Yep, he was abusive. But what are you basing the rest on? What sources?

These are opinions, theories. None of us know anything outside what we've read. Just a guess. That's all we can do.

Yes, very true. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. The court ordered psychological report on Brian (1967) is available for anyone to read in Hotchner's Blown Away and Aftel's The Death of a Rolling Stone. Brian had problems that, contrary to popular belief, had nothing to do with Anita. Brian knew Suki before he and Anita split. She dated Tara Browne and ran in the same circles.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-18 12:40 by Redhotcarpet.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical. Facing reality would have meant he had to quit the band or fight Keith. Im 100% sure Keith had a ball "stealing" Brians girl. Who wouldnt. A very strong move in the hierarchy without the help of ALO:s orchestra. A defining moment in Keiths life and his independence as well as the band. The second defining moment for him is when Jagger sleeps with Anita in 1968 and the third when Brian dies. Had Keith not been a heroin addict by then, Jagger would have gone solo in 1970 with Brown Sugar as his first hit record.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

True, but its also human. SOmetimes we forget these guys can be as vulnerable to a relationship as anyone else. Brian also had other issues, granted. But love, compulsion or whatever you want to call it, can do a number on even the most formidable of us.
What can I say, I'm a romantic, and a realist...sure, its romantic, but it also makes sense.
But that's just my opinion. I also think Jagger showed these same manifestations during his divorce: the drugs, the rebound relationship, the seemingly manic sexual conquests, the affected nonchalance about it all, the nastiness....
But I won't swear to it in court. It's all just guessing on my part, that's part of the drama of the Stones epic.



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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

True, but its also human. SOmetimes we forget these guys can be as vulnerable to a relationship as anyone else. Brian also had other issues, granted. But love, compulsion or whatever you want to call it, can do a number on even the most formidable of us.
What can I say, I'm a romantic, and a realist...sure, its romantic, but it also makes sense.
But that's just my opinion. I also think Jagger showed these same manifestations during his divorce: the drugs, the rebound relationship, the seemingly manic sexual conquests....
But I won't swear to it in court. It's all just guessing on my part, that's part of the drama of the Stones epic.[/quote

Brian had manic sexual conquests before, during, and after Anita. Who knows who he loved. I'll go with the blues, drinking, and Elmore James...but not necessarily in that order.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

True, but its also human. SOmetimes we forget these guys can be as vulnerable to a relationship as anyone else. Brian also had other issues, granted. But love, compulsion or whatever you want to call it, can do a number on even the most formidable of us.
What can I say, I'm a romantic, and a realist...sure, its romantic, but it also makes sense.
But that's just my opinion. I also think Jagger showed these same manifestations during his divorce: the drugs, the rebound relationship, the seemingly manic sexual conquests....
But I won't swear to it in court. It's all just guessing on my part, that's part of the drama of the Stones epic.[/quote

Brian had manic sexual conquests before, during, and after Anita. Who knows who he loved. I'll go with the blues, drinking, and Elmore James...but not necessarily in that order.

But that's no fun Marie! There has to be a woman in there somewhere!
Just kidding.....maybe Brian really was the ultimate victim of the Stones' ultimate survival.

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most of us guys live by a code: you dont mess with your friends girlfriend or wife...ever.even if they've been broken up for ten years you dont go there.

no matter how bad things are between them and even if you think your buddies in the wrong, you stay the f/ck out of it.

this is one of keiths" band unity" moves. he always thinks of the stones first-just like when he almost destroyed the rolling stones by letting drugs take over his life and getting caught moving heroin across an international border.

but lord dont let someone put out a solo album,thats a "betrayal"

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

I dont think its too easy at all. Brian stopped talking and gave up everything after Anita went with Keith. The whole thing sounds like the worst possible nightmare ever. Think about it. If he was sensitive about his position within the band before? Of course this finished him off. Didnt Mick or someone else even put it like that.

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Anita. And thats what killed him in 1967. What you see in 1967-1969 is the ghost of Brian Jones. A giveaway is how he clammed up and tried real hard to pretend he didnt care after the failed attempts at getting her back.
Also the reason he increased his druguse to a maximum, tried to commit suicide and why he couldnt be in the studio if Anita was there. Dont understand how anyone could miss that. His father at least understood that much. Brian probably told him how he felt about the whole thing.

Replacing her with Suki and others is typical.quote]

I agree. He had an abusive nature without drugs and alcohol. When someone like that is locked into a passionate love affair, its about extremes. Passionate love can be the most toxic love. You hurt the one you love most....and the one you love most, hurts you, consumes you...strips you.
That's always been obvious to me about Brian and Anita.
Brian's behavior afterwards, the drug use intensifying, the lack of motivation even for music, the rebound relationship - its text book.
Plus, Suki is Anita with dark hair.

It is text book. And it sounds like typical Brian pretending or trying to pretend he didnt care. But laughing or smiling and taking handfuls of downers with booze and pot isnt the same as not being affected. Quite the opposite.

Your opinions and you are entitled to have them, but Brian had other problems other than Anita. Blaming the break up with Anita as the reason why he hit the skids is romantic, but it is too easy.....

I dont think its too easy at all. Brian stopped talking and gave up everything after Anita went with Keith. The whole thing sounds like the worst possible nightmare ever. Think about it. If he was sensitive about his position within the band before? Of course this finished him off. Didnt Mick or someone else even put it like that.

Mick said the police hounding him and the drug busts finished him off. Like I said before you are entitled to your opinions, but they are just that, opinions.

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I dont think its too easy at all. Brian stopped talking and gave up everything after Anita went with Keith. The whole thing sounds like the worst possible nightmare ever. Think about it. If he was sensitive about his position within the band before? Of course this finished him off. Didnt Mick or someone else even put it like that.