Is Sham 69 or 999 in? I guess not. Honour to those who's not in that Hall....

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No Mott the Hoople so the list isn't worth having in my book!

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I can think of a few more I'd like to see as well:

Leon Russell

Rockpile

Canned Heat

Badfinger

The Pretty Things

Richard Thompson

Al Kooper

Now that list makes some sense. But that is just IMO. The left-offs are all going to be subjective lists.
And yes - there are many names that are not in that absolutely should be in there, but I think Madonna, ABBA and Chic all deserve to be in there.



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So the R&R Hall of fame has no respect for, among others, these musicians

Joe Cocker,
Carl Palmer,
Rick Ocasek,
Justin Hayward,
Ian Anderson,
Martin Barre,
Steve Howe,
Michael McDonald,
Rick Wakeman,
Robert Lamm,
Keith Emerson,
Robert Fripp,
Bill Bruford...

Its very sad to see that is a matter of pernoal taste and not the fair recognition of talent.

Well at least The Oriols and Doc Pomus are there.

Was Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels not big in Europe? They were a monster rock and roll outfit here. I am sad that the Pretty Things DVD documentary has still not seen the light of day. As an American I've had very little exposure to them. I don't remember them at all in the 60s. The Small Faces were barely known here to. Did Donovan get in finally? I can't believe the two-bit people who got in before Donovan. Don't let the poor induction rules turn you off to the museum. It's a great little place to wander around. It's not like the city of Cleveland itself voted Alice Cooper in and left Jethro Tull out. And don't cut down Chic. There's nothing wrong with Disco music. You know we are allowed to enjoy all kinds of music. Like the wide range of music styles played by the Rolling Stones.

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When they inducted Madonna the Hall of Fame lost the rest of its withered reputation.

You're so right!

Just like for the baseball hall of fame, we favor a two-step solution.

1) If there's a reasonable case to be made by a reasonably large block of fans...
let them in!

2) Then set up a seperate Walk of the Immortals, with photorealistic over-
life-size statues frozen in action. Damn statues would cost a half-million each.
Maybe start out with five or ten, to make a splash, but after that, strictly
limited to zero or one inductee a year, with a fat supermajority vote necessary.
Individuals, not groups, although obviously an entire group could eventually make
it. A real temple, a real place of worship. Hushed, with all the music rushing from
inside the visitor's head and heart. Also, there would be a procedure for future
generations to vote someone OUT of the Immortals. You could never be voted out of
the Hall of Fame, but you could someday be deemed mortal after all.

In fact, now that we think about it some more, maybe that's a good idea. The
Walk of the Immortals could never have more than a hundred statues. After
you got to a hundred, and you wanted to vote somebody else in, you would
also have to vote somebody else out.



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okay, make it 50 instead of a hundred for the Walk of the Immortals.

we simply can't think of 100 who might be considered immortal.

but, after about 10 minutes thinking, here's our list of 50.

not our favorites (some of them we dislike) and not who we think are the
best (some of them we don't think are all that great musically) but the
ones that are or will be remembered the longest. on that basis please,
feel free to vote somebody in or out...

(in no particular order)

Robert Johnson
Frank Sinatra
Muddy Waters
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Buddy Holly
Miles Davis
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Jimmy Page
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Janis Joplin
Ella Fitzgerald
James Brown
Aretha Franklin
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Dylan
Brian Wilson
Louis Armstrong
Ray Charles
Stevie Wonder
Bob Marley
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline
Madonna
Eminem
Phil Spector
Bono
The Edge
Kurt Cobain
Angus Young
Prince
David Bowie
Elton John
Bruce Springsteen
Charlie Parker
Michael Jackson
Tammy Wynette
Nat King Cole
Billie Holliday
Barbra Streisand
Lady Gaga
Rihanna or Beyonce, whichever one sustains their hitmaking longer
Hank Williams
Woody Guthrie
Joey Ramone



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For 5 years now I have been reading the same type of posts complaining like this on 20-40 rock music boards I follow... it has been more of the same ole story, same old song and dance... nothing changed nothing new happened (maybe the posts helped Alice get in).... but there sure was a lot effort exerted.

Just think if all of that effort had not just been wasted on typical complaining posts, what if some of it was focused and directed on that tourist attraction in Cleveland? That place is only there to make money and sell tickets, to draw people in. That is why they have widened the target market by widening the types of music, and rap, they allow in. It no longer is a rock and roll thing, it is a music thing. They lost focus.

TL/DR- If people really dont like it, then people should do more than just post complaints on random blogs.

>we simply can't think of 100 who might be considered immortal.

>but, after about 10 minutes thinking, here's our list of 50.


Who is "we" and "our" in the above?

Don't include me in any group that rates Beyonce or Eminem over Lou Reed and Iggy Pop.

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Glam Descendant
Don't include me in any group that rates Beyonce or Eminem over Lou Reed and Iggy Pop.

Agree that Lou Reed and Iggy and George Harrison and Johnny Rotten and
Pete Townshend all deserve consideration. but think lou and iggy are too
obscure, george is too overshadowed, rotten was too brief and was born
of joey ramone, and pete too quickly became too much of a thinker and
not enough of a doer.

but nat king cole, got to make room for nat. sorry, bessie smith, you get bumped.



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>but think lou and iggy are too obscure


Too obscure for what, the R&R HOF? They're already in there so how can they be consdered "too obscure" after the fact?

.....Harmonica Frank should be in there ....
Man he's the closet thing ta Huck Finn cuttin' a record.....



ROCKMAN

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Glam Descendant
>but think lou and iggy are too obscure

Too obscure for what, the R&R HOF? They're already in there so how can they be consdered "too obscure" after the fact?

remember, this list is not who is "best" or "most influential". it is who is
likely to survive longest and strongest in the public memory, for better or worse,
leaving aside the question of whether they deserve it.

otherwise, obviously, harmonica frank would be number one.



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Glam Descendant
Don't include me in any group that rates Beyonce or Eminem over Lou Reed and Iggy Pop.

Agree that Lou Reed and Iggy and George Harrison and Johnny Rotten and
Pete Townshend all deserve consideration. but think lou and iggy are too
obscure, george is too overshadowed, rotten was too brief and was born
of joey ramone, and pete too quickly became too much of a thinker and
not enough of a doer.

but nat king cole, got to make room for nat. sorry, bessie smith, you get bumped.

you can have bono OR the edge...not both

let's give lou reed a little love

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treaclefingers
you can have bono OR the edge...not both

let's give lou reed a little love

now now now, cmon, we said this isnt about love. because personally bono and
the edge rank pretty high on our unloved list too.

this is about the reality of sustained fame. no matter how unpleasant that
reality may be.

the good thing about this list is that soon they'll have brain scanners that
will be able to determine not only if such-and-such long-ago pop star has a
presence in your brain, but how strong a presence.

then this list, with statistical sampling, will be truly objective. but for
now, NoComment will just pretend to be such a scanner.

And for this exercise, obviously, we are only scanning adults in the
UK USA Ireland Canada and Aus/NZ.



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nocomment
okay, make it 50 instead of a hundred for the Walk of the Immortals.

we simply can't think of 100 who might be considered immortal.

but, after about 10 minutes thinking, here's our list of 50.

not our favorites (some of them we dislike) and not who we think are the
best (some of them we don't think are all that great musically) but the
ones that are or will be remembered the longest. on that basis please,
feel free to vote somebody in or out...

(in no particular order)

Robert Johnson
Frank Sinatra
Muddy Waters
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Buddy Holly
Miles Davis
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Jimmy Page
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Janis Joplin
Ella Fitzgerald
James Brown
Aretha Franklin
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Dylan
Brian Wilson
Louis Armstrong
Ray Charles
Stevie Wonder
Bob Marley
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline
Madonna
Eminem
Phil Spector
Bono
The Edge
Kurt Cobain
Angus Young
Prince
David Bowie
Elton John
Bruce Springsteen
Charlie Parker
Michael Jackson
Tammy Wynette
Nat King Cole
Billie Holliday
Diana Ross
Lady Gaga
Rihanna or Beyonce, whichever one sustains their hitmaking longer
Hank Williams
Woody Guthrie
Joey Ramone

I wouldn't let Frank Sinatra anywhere near the place. Not only is he the antithesis of rock & roll, he did his best to put it down & try to destroy it. Tosser!

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nocomment
okay, make it 50 instead of a hundred for the Walk of the Immortals.

we simply can't think of 100 who might be considered immortal.

but, after about 10 minutes thinking, here's our list of 50.

not our favorites (some of them we dislike) and not who we think are the
best (some of them we don't think are all that great musically) but the
ones that are or will be remembered the longest. on that basis please,
feel free to vote somebody in or out...

(in no particular order)

Robert Johnson
Frank Sinatra
Muddy Waters
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Buddy Holly
Miles Davis
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Jimmy Page
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Janis Joplin
Ella Fitzgerald
James Brown
Aretha Franklin
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Dylan
Brian Wilson
Louis Armstrong
Ray Charles
Stevie Wonder
Bob Marley
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline
Madonna
Eminem
Phil Spector
Bono
The Edge
Kurt Cobain
Angus Young
Prince
David Bowie
Elton John
Bruce Springsteen
Charlie Parker
Michael Jackson
Tammy Wynette
Nat King Cole
Billie Holliday
Diana Ross
Lady Gaga
Rihanna or Beyonce, whichever one sustains their hitmaking longer
Hank Williams
Woody Guthrie
Joey Ramone

Sly Stone has to bump someone out; maybe the Rihanna/Beyonce slot.
And punk rock is not represented; wait I see Joey Ramone - but at very least Johnny Rotten;

hmmm. thought about sly stone too, but... like we keep saying, if this was
a "best" or "most influential" list, yeah, but... its NOT. its a
sustained fame list, people who stay in the listening public's imagination,
so sly gets nosed out.

and its not just a rock and roll fame list, its a pop music fame list, so
of course frankie s stays big time...

and rotten we discussed already too, as just missing out, because of how brief
his star shined and how joey ramone gave birth to him...

punk rock is important, but its stars did not sustain.

agree also that rihanna/beyonce is very speculative, but, wow, the amount of
big hits. rihanna's 23 years old, with TEN number one singles and 20 top
ten singles, tours and sells out constantly, and shows not the least sign
of letting up. rihanna/beyonce may get bumped, but no, not by the
disappeared sly stone. rihanna was also helped immeasurably by getting
beat up by chris brown. the whole world seemed to adopt her at that point.
and now with beyonce pregnant and entering her respected rather than lusted
after phase, its really tempting to just go with rihanna, but... not yet.
rihanna likes booze and eats a lot of junk food, and may lose her looks so...

then again, both may stay, and dianna ross get bumped.

hmmm, just thought about streisand... hmmm.

very tempted to knock out diana ross for streisand...



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close to the point of a coin toss. and googling is not the total answer,
but 21 million hits for barbra versus 16 million for diana, so hello babs!

(in no particular order)

Robert Johnson
Frank Sinatra
Muddy Waters
Chuck Berry
Little Richard
Buddy Holly
Miles Davis
Jerry Lee Lewis
Elvis Presley
Johnny Cash
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Jimmy Page
Mick Jagger
Keith Richards
Janis Joplin
Ella Fitzgerald
James Brown
Aretha Franklin
Jimi Hendrix
Bob Dylan
Brian Wilson
Louis Armstrong
Ray Charles
Stevie Wonder
Bob Marley
Willie Nelson
Patsy Cline
Madonna
Eminem
Phil Spector
Bono
The Edge
Kurt Cobain
Angus Young
Prince
David Bowie
Elton John
Bruce Springsteen
Charlie Parker
Michael Jackson
Tammy Wynette
Nat King Cole
Billie Holliday
Barbra Streisand
Lady Gaga
Tina Turner
Hank Williams
Woody Guthrie
Joey Ramone



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But why not start a Pop Hall of Fame ? for those prominent persons?

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Where's Hank Marvin???





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Come On
But why not start a Pop Hall of Fame ? for those prominent persons?

you're right, we're drifting off topic. but harmlessly, just having fun with
the notion of which music stars are most in our bones, like it or not. in that
regard, we're gonna go with what a few have said, and get rid of beyonce/rihanna
as too new, and instead go with the original beat-up black girl, the hugely
iconic tina turner. guessing that rihanna might displace her eventually,
but that is then and this is now.

Oh, so the list is for sustained fame; people who remain in the public's imagination? And from the music world?
Bands do not count? I still see Rotten weighing in at more than Joey Ramone with these criteria. (If I am getting the criteria right).
I am thinking of Smoky Robinson.

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nocomment

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Come On
But why not start a Pop Hall of Fame ? for those prominent persons?

you're right, we're drifting off topic. but harmlessly, just having fun with
the notion of which music stars are most in our bones, like it or not. in that
regard, we're gonna go with what a few have said, and get rid of beyonce/rihanna
as too new, and instead go with the original beat-up black girl, the hugely
iconic tina turner. guessing that rihanna might displace her eventually,
but that is then and this is now.

OK, add Eek a Mouse then from me...

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Palace Revolution 2000
Oh, so the list is for sustained fame; people who remain in the public's imagination? And from the music world?
Bands do not count? I still see Rotten weighing in at more than Joey Ramone with these criteria. (If I am getting the criteria right).
I am thinking of Smoky Robinson.

trying to simplify the standard, so currently it is: most burned into the
brains of the adult listening public (whether they like it or not), as a
personality or icon, in the UK, USA, Ireland Canada and Aus/NZ. bands not
eligible. that's a different topic.

so agree again, that the johnny rotten/joey ramone thing is very close.
and it just may be that johnny is more burned in than joey, but we thought
that since joey inspired johnny...

let's go again to the google tie-breaker. johnny rotten 1.4 million hits.
joey ramone 2.4 million. joey it is.

smokey absolutely one of the all time greats musically. most burned into all our
brains as a personality or icon. no.



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nocomment

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Palace Revolution 2000
Oh, so the list is for sustained fame; people who remain in the public's imagination? And from the music world?
Bands do not count? I still see Rotten weighing in at more than Joey Ramone with these criteria. (If I am getting the criteria right).
I am thinking of Smoky Robinson.

trying to simplify the standard, so currently it is: most burned into the
brains of the adult listening public (whether they like it or not), as a
personality or icon, in the UK, USA, Ireland Canada and Aus/NZ. bands not
eligible. that's a different topic.

so agree again, that the johnny rotten/joey ramone thing is very close.
and it just may be that johnny is more burned in than joey, but we thought
that since joey inspired johnny...

let's go again to the google tie-breaker. johnny rotten 1.4 million hits.
joey ramone 2.4 million. joey it is.

smokey absolutely one of the all time greats musically. most burned into all our
brains as a personality or icon. no.

damn, there goes my argument for Tito Jackson.

Isn't it supposed to a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? NOT a great music hall of fame.

Therefore, such great artists as Patsy Cline and Sinatra have no business being in there.

Cheap Trick does though.

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Elmo Lewis
Isn't it supposed to a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? NOT a great music hall of fame.

Therefore, such great artists as Patsy Cline and Sinatra have no business being in there.

I agree, but do you think that disco, country & reggae acts should be in there or not?

Since all styles of music are now being considered, I'd like to nominate BB King, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart & Django Reinhart.

We're all pretty familiar with BB King. In addition to still showing audiences how it's done, BB's all over America on TV commercials and with his various clubs and resturants. 86 years old? Go BB Go! Heck, here's hoping that he decides to go down to St Louis for a jam with another 80+ year old guitar player... CBII, has your dad ever jammed with BB? Or vice versa, as the case may be?

In Mozart we have what I believe to be one of the original "Rock & Rollers", if not in the musical style, still in the attitude, lifestyle & committment departments. He may not be a member of the 27 club (35 is close) but I don't think there were many of his era who were living as fast or as hard as that man was. Flying in the face of convention he was one of the first "free agents", breaking out of the court musician trap, not being sponsored by the church. He was rock & roll 175 years before the term was invented to describe him.

Without heading to Wikipedia I really can't voice much of a specific case for Django other than to say that the "Original Gypsy Guitarist" could probably out-play any of the other guitarists on the list. He does lose some points for curent popularity though as I'd have to imagine that a larger portion of the population could probably identify Madonna or Lady Gaga before they could identify Django.

Waiting for nocomments comments...

Peace,
Mr DJA